[Vision2020] [Vision2020 liberals, courts, and Tony (was Pledge)

Tue Nov 28 18:12:49 PST 2006

Oh good! A boy that knows his place.

Now that we have that decided, mayhap you will just go play nice with the 
other children of the world...since Jesus asked us all to treat ALL others 
as we would like to be treated.  Suppose you'd call him a "rag-*****" too, 
though.

I, for one, would hate to be called any of the nasty, disgusting, degrading, 
de-humanizing things you feel are acceptable.

J  :]

>From: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
>To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [Vision2020 liberals, courts, and Tony (was 
>Pledge)
>Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:05:09 -0800
>
>Well J, I think it is safe to say that no matter what I do, I will never be 
>man enough as far as you are concerned.  I am comfortable with that.
>
>Happy holidays. -T
>----- Original Message ----- From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 5:50 PM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [Vision2020 liberals, courts, and Tony (was 
>Pledge)
>
>
>>Ok, so why can't you be man enough to just refer to these people as they 
>>are
>>and leave out the racial-insightful and inflammatory trash?  Is it 
>>possible
>>you simply can not rise to the arena of discussion without bringing it 
>>down
>>to a base level?
>>
>>
>>
>>J  :]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
>>>To: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at adelphia.net>
>>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [Vision2020 liberals, courts, and Tony (was
>>>Pledge)
>>>Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:32:38 -0800
>>>
>>>Saundra, you failed to accurately assess my intent in using the term
>>>RAGHEAD
>>>last time I explained it to you and you continue to show a lack of
>>>appreciation for diversity by refusing to consider the different
>>>perspective
>>>of some Americans post 911.  As I told you, I was referring to those 7th
>>>century, bomb throwing radicals like Osama Bin Raghead.  I have nothing
>>>against the average law abiding and peaceful Muslim.
>>>
>>>I did forget our discussion of the other week when posting last night and
>>>apologize for any resulting confusion, but trust you are able to 
>>>understand
>>>the rage of those Americans who are thus affected by the events of 911.
>>>
>>>If it helps to put my feelings in their proper perspective, I might point
>>>out that I regard those of my own race who thieve from others and loaf
>>>instead of working as white trash.  My meaning in using such terms is to
>>>condemn them for their BEHAVIOR, not the COLOR of their SKIN.  You are of
>>>course free to disagree with my judgment in this matter, but my motives
>>>should by now be plain.
>>>
>>>Do have a pleasant Christmas. -T
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at adelphia.net>
>>>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 8:17 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [Vision2020 liberals, courts, and Tony (was
>>>Pledge)
>>>
>>>
>>> > Visionaries:
>>> >
>>> > Tony wrote:
>>> > "what precisely have I said that you regard as "racist"?  Such labels
>>>are
>>> > serious, Saundra, and you would be wise to provide evidence.  I think
>>>that
>>> > is a fair request."
>>> >
>>> > <sigh>  Tony knows the answer to this because we discussed it offlist.
>>> > Indeed, it was his refusal to apologize that was the straw that broke
>>>this
>>> > camel's back, and he knows this, too because I wrote to him:
>>> > "Sorry, Tony -- this is my line in the sand.  Your unashamed use of
>>>ethnic
>>> > slurs deeply disappoints me -- and it drowns out any points you're
>>>trying
>>> > to
>>> > make.  If you see nothing wrong with it, so be it.  However, absent an
>>> > apology to V2020 for the many you've offended by crossing that line, 
>>>my
>>> > conscience dictates that this is the end of my interaction with you.
>>>It's
>>> > no great loss to either of us, but it saddens me nonetheless."
>>> >
>>> > My conscience still dictates that I not interact with him.  At all.
>>>And,
>>> > that includes responding to the rest of his response to me.  Of 
>>>course,
>>>he
>>> > knows this, too, because my offlist communications to him were
>>> > unambiguous.
>>> >
>>> > However, for any Visionaries who missed it, here is the relevant part 
>>> > of
>>> > Tony's recent post to which I was referring:
>>> > "I just feel that when dealing with a clearly sociopathic and > 
>>>widespread
>>> > enemy, we are unfortunately going to find ourselves in a position of
>>> > utilizing unconventional methods in order to prevail.  Distasteful, > 
>>>yes,
>>> > but
>>> > is failure an option when dealing with these murderous [ethnic/racial
>>>slur
>>> > deleted]?"
>>> > http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-November/037746.html
>>> >
>>> > For those who are unfamiliar with the term Tony unashamedly and
>>> > unapologetically used:
>>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raghead
>>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs
>>> >
>>> > I suggest we all hope/pray for a short winter so Tony will be too busy
>>> > with
>>> > his paying gig to continue to endlessly spew his vitriol here on 
>>>V2020!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Saundra Lund
>>> > Moscow, ID
>>> >
>>> > The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to
>>>do
>>> > nothing.
>>> > - Edmund Burke
>>> >
>>> > ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra
>>>Lund.
>>> > Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020
>>>forum
>>> > without the express written permission of the author.*****
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: Tony [mailto:tonytime at clearwire.net]
>>> > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 5:20 PM
>>> > To: Saundra Lund
>>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [Vision2020 liberals, courts, and Tony (was
>>> > Pledge)
>>> >
>>> > Saundra, you seem to have misunderstood me.  I am not opposed to a
>>> > vigorous
>>> > defense of ANYONE.  What I said quite clearly was the UNREASONABLE and
>>> > ENDLESS STALLING that is waged on behalf of bums like Gene Stuart and
>>>the
>>> > Lankfords.  Please try to read more discerningly, won't you?  My
>>>position
>>> > actually supports YOU as a victim of crime!!  Are you so unable to see
>>> > past
>>> > your liberal blinders that you mistook an ally for an enemy and
>>> > inadvertently aligned yourself with your attacker?  Or perhaps you
>>>suffer
>>> > from Stockholm Syndrome, wherein victims come to identify with their
>>> > attackers?
>>> >
>>> > I must say that the viciousness of your closing made for entertaining
>>> > reading, but for the record, what precisely have I said that you 
>>>regard
>>>as
>>> > "racist"?  Such labels are serious, Saundra, and you would be wise to
>>> > provide evidence.  I think that is a fair request.  For example, let 
>>>us
>>> > say
>>> > hypothetically that someone said publicly that a female poster to this
>>> > forum
>>> > was a prostitute?  Would that person, making such a serious charge, 
>>>not
>>> > have
>>> > an obligation to substantiate their claim?
>>> >
>>> > Confident in your sense of justice, I await your prompt response. --T
>>> >
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