[Vision2020] A Pledge to real Americans (Mikey Moore)

[Tony]

Andreas -- how's it going man?  My postings to my good friend Tom and the 
lovely and gracious Keely may have addressed your questions, but to be 
thorough...

I do not attempt to disdain my responsibility to act as watchdog where my 
government is concerned.  I was in this instance, concerned with my role as 
watchdog over a predatory lawyering segment of society which claims a self 
righteous concern for justice while pursuing relief for those who are 
manifestly guilty at the expense of those who are manifestly suffering.

Andreas, we can never be "absolutely certain" of anyone's guilt.  We can 
only say that we are inclined to find them guilty beyond a REASONABLE 
DOUBT -- not beyond ALL DOUBT.  Your unrealistically inflexible 
interpretation of justice is what facilitates tragedies like the freeing of 
that murderous psychopath, Orenthal Simpson.

You seem tremendously cavalier about the suffering of the victims of those 
languishing for decades on death row as well as those freed early to murder 
and maim again.

Exhibiting realistic compassion during this joyous holiday season,   -T
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>
To: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
Cc: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Pledge to real Americans (Mikey Moore)


> On 11/25/06, Tony <tonytime at clearwire.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Actually Paul, we DO live in a world where the guilt of those convicted 
>> is
>> generally obvious.  A very SMALL percentage have been exonerated through 
>> DNA
>> testing.  Any system of justice administered by fallible humans will have 
>> a
>> percentage of failures.  This is unavoidable and does not invalidate said
>> system.
>
> Tony --
>
> We do not have an appeals process so that murderers may go free. We
> have an appeals process so that we are not complicit in the murder of
> innocents ourselves. There is a tremendous amount of moral risk in
> running a democratic society: we are all responsible for the conduct
> of our government, however much we attempt to disclaim that
> responsibility. If we are not absolutely certain that, when we deprive
> someone of liberty, that we are depriving them of liberty fairly, then
> that is not only the responsibility of corrupt judges or incompetent
> juries, but of the stakeholders that allowed those corrupt judges to
> remain or those incompetent juries to pass judgement.
>
> You seem tremendously cavalier about this, as though, if innocent
> people were put to death, it would not be at least partially your
> fault. I'm afraid that it would be -- and that it would be mine as
> well.
>
> -- ACS
>
>