[Vision2020] [Vision2020 liberals, courts, and Tony (was Pledge)
keely emerinemix
kjajmix1 at msn.com
Sat Nov 25 22:03:58 PST 2006
Tony, your perpetually gutter-dredging mind really doesn't need to be
further revealed to us. Betsy is right -- your reply to Sunil was filthy,
and now your response to Paul is as ugly as we expect from you.
In a system where the race of the victim, the poverty of the defendant, and
the socioeconomic disparity between the two of them is a virtual guarantee
of harsher sentences; where Black women and men languish in prison for the
same crimes that affluent whites routinely receive probation or rehab for;
where drug crimes are often punished more harshly than crimes against
children and women; where rape in prison is considered by many to be
inevitable if not just; and where DNA testing has, in fact, exonerated
scores of men whose poverty convicted them more than, say, their semen or
blood, there is need to constantly review and revise the role of the State
to ensure that the rights of all are protected with equal fervor. It's not
a perfect system, obviously, and yet because it's the best we've got, it
deserves the vigilance and commitment of people like Sunil. He is not part
of the problem -- he and others are part of the wall of protection that each
one of us has against an overzealous State and a debauched, bloodthirsty
citizenry.
And, speaking of a debauched and bloodthirsty citizenry, your comment about
why Lady Justice is blind tells me that, quite unwittingly, your disdain for
civil rights legitimizes Sunil's work far more than anything I could say.
keely
keely
From: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
To: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Pledge to real Americans (Mikey Moore)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 21:07:59 -0800
Actually Paul, we DO live in a world where the guilt of those convicted is
generally obvious. A very SMALL percentage have been exonerated through DNA
testing. Any system of justice administered by fallible humans will have a
percentage of failures. This is unavoidable and does not invalidate said
system.
The best we can do is have an effective system for dealing with predatory
citizens which does not allow them to languish in prison years beyond the
point at which their punishment was to have been meted out.
Actually, the lady with the scale is blind because she was savagely mugged
by a violent sociopath who the liberal community had freed through a
technicality. Happens all the time.
If public defenders get paid whether they do the right thing or advocate on
behalf of societies least social members well beyond the point of fairness
or reason, then they need to be regulated, because it is NOT their job to
second guess a jury endlessly.
Think we'll have a white Christmas? -T
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Rumelhart
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Pledge to real Americans (Mikey Moore)
Tony,
I wish we lived in a world where the guilty were "obviously guilty" and
where no one was ever framed by a bunch of "good old boys". Unfortunately,
we don't live there. How many people have been found to be innocent via dna
testing of the charges that ultimately ended up with them being executed?
The best we can do is have each side work as hard as they can, despite
what they may or may not believe about their clients innocence, in
presenting their case and have the court system decide.
The statues of the blind lady with the scales in courthouses? There is a
reason she is blind. She doesn't get swayed by the media, the color of the
defendants skin, or how obvious the situation looks on the surface.
Besides, public defenders get paid whether they submit appeals or play
minesweeper. Why not let them do their jobs without berating them about it?
Paul
Tony wrote:
Sunil, I see that the first two thirds of your last message to me consisted
of a fit of masturbatory name calling. I do trust you feel better, and hope
that you did not get any on you.
To address the questions you were able to ask after having composed
yourself: 1) The convicted have the right to be treated humanely as they
are locked up for the duration of their sentence. They do not have the
right to repeatedly fleece the community they have preyed on through the
actions of some unprincipled defense attorney who is less concerned for
justice than he is for his own job security.
2) There is no guarantee in our system to a ridiculously unrealistic
standard of proof in which a reasonable doubt is confused with ALL doubt.
3) And finally, YES! I do wish you would stop thieving from the taxpayer
by pursuing unrealistic and abusive legal measures on the undeserving behalf
of your criminal clients.
I do hope this helps clear up your confusion on the matter.
Best wishes for a pleasant and joyous holiday season. -T
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Pledge to real Americans (Mikey Moore)
Actually, Tony, it was yesterday that I was tired of your ignorance. I
read
your generalizations and mistatements, based on the most recent handful
you've grabbed from your nethers, and I ask myself, 'How can I help this
man? Is he as ignorant as he seems? Or can he learn? Perhaps if he
takes
his opposable thumbs out of their warm sanctuary and uses them to turn
pages, he can sound like he knows something.'
I'm trying to help you with that process.
What rights do the convicted have, Tony? I'm not talking about the more
limited set you wish them to have, I'm talking about the limited ones they
already have. What processes are guaranteed them under our system?
Should
their lawyers actually follow the law as it exists? Or would you prefer
that we were thieves, taking our money and not doing our jobs?
Sunil
From: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
To: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
CC: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Pledge to real Americans (Mikey Moore)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 08:27:37 -0800
Sunil, you seem particularly upset this morning and it's beautiful
outside--cheer up!
You insist that my position that many lawyers are making a handsome living
by bringing endless appeals is "bullshit". However, the truth remains
that
whether they are working from a flat rate or hourly, they ARE well paid,
and it is WRONG to abuse the process by filing one measure after another
for years in an effort to free obviously guilty predators like the
Lankfords or Gene Stuart.
Can't a fellow of your obvious talent and intelligence make a living
advocating on behalf of society's innocent victims rather than their
tormentors? God knows they could use your protection and your conscience
could use some relief as well.
Have a safe and warm weekend. -T
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