[Vision2020] A Pledge to real Americans (Mikey Moore)

[Tony]

Actually Paul, we DO live in a world where the guilt of those convicted is generally obvious.  A very SMALL percentage have been exonerated through DNA testing.  Any system of justice administered by fallible humans will have a percentage of failures.  This is unavoidable and does not invalidate said system.

The best we can do is have an effective system for dealing with predatory citizens which does not allow them to languish in prison years beyond the point at which their punishment was to have been meted out.

Actually, the lady with the scale is blind because she was savagely mugged by a violent sociopath who the liberal community had freed through a technicality.  Happens all the time.

If public defenders get paid whether they do the right thing or advocate on behalf of societies least social members well beyond the point of fairness or reason, then they need to be regulated, because it is NOT their job to second guess a jury endlessly.

Think we'll have a white Christmas?         -T
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul Rumelhart 
  To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 4:45 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Pledge to real Americans (Mikey Moore)


  Tony,

  I wish we lived in a world where the guilty were "obviously guilty" and where no one was ever framed by a bunch of "good old boys".  Unfortunately, we don't live there.  How many people have been found to be innocent via dna testing of the charges that ultimately ended up with them being executed?

  The best we can do is have each side work as hard as they can, despite what they may or may not believe about their clients innocence, in presenting their case and have the court system decide.

  The statues of the blind lady with the scales in courthouses?  There is a reason she is blind.  She doesn't get swayed by the media, the color of the defendants skin, or how obvious the situation looks on the surface.

  Besides, public defenders get paid whether they submit appeals or play minesweeper.  Why not let them do their jobs without berating them about it?

  Paul

  Tony wrote: 
Sunil, I see that the first two thirds of your last message to me consisted 
of a fit of masturbatory name calling.  I do trust you feel better, and hope 
that you did not get any on you.

To address the questions you were able to ask after having composed 
yourself:  1)  The convicted have the right to be treated humanely as they 
are locked up for the duration of their sentence.  They do not have the 
right to repeatedly fleece the community they have preyed on through the 
actions of some unprincipled defense attorney who is less concerned for 
justice than he is for his own job security.

2)  There is no guarantee in our system to a ridiculously unrealistic 
standard of proof in which a reasonable doubt is confused with ALL doubt.

3)  And finally, YES!  I do wish you would stop thieving from the taxpayer 
by pursuing unrealistic and abusive legal measures on the undeserving behalf 
of your criminal clients.

I do hope this helps clear up your confusion on the matter.

Best wishes for a pleasant and joyous holiday season.   -T
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Pledge to real Americans (Mikey Moore)


  Actually, Tony, it was yesterday that I was tired of your ignorance.  I 
read
your generalizations and mistatements, based on the most recent handful
you've grabbed from your nethers, and I ask myself, 'How can I help this
man?  Is he as ignorant as he seems?  Or can he learn?  Perhaps if he 
takes
his opposable thumbs out of their warm sanctuary and uses them to turn
pages, he can sound like he knows something.'

I'm trying to help you with that process.

What rights do the convicted have, Tony?  I'm not talking about the more
limited set you wish them to have, I'm talking about the limited ones they
already have.  What processes are guaranteed them under our system? 
Should
their lawyers actually follow the law as it exists?  Or would you prefer
that we were thieves, taking our money and not doing our jobs?

Sunil


    From: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
To: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
CC: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Pledge to real Americans (Mikey Moore)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 08:27:37 -0800

Sunil, you seem particularly upset this morning and it's beautiful
outside--cheer up!

You insist that my position that many lawyers are making a handsome living
by bringing endless appeals is "bullshit".  However, the truth remains 
that
whether they are working from a flat rate or hourly, they ARE well paid,
and it is WRONG to abuse the process by filing one measure after another
for years in an effort to free obviously guilty predators like the
Lankfords or Gene Stuart.

Can't a fellow of your obvious talent and intelligence make a living
advocating on behalf of society's innocent victims rather than their
tormentors?  God knows they could use your protection and your conscience
could use some relief as well.

Have a safe and warm weekend.    -T
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