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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Actually Paul, we DO live in a world where the
guilt of those convicted is generally obvious. A very SMALL percentage
have been exonerated through DNA testing. Any system of justice
administered by fallible humans will have a percentage of failures. This
is unavoidable and does not invalidate said system.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The best we can do is have an effective system for
dealing with predatory citizens which does not allow them to languish in prison
years beyond the point at which their punishment was to have been meted
out.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Actually, the lady with the scale is blind because
she was savagely mugged by a violent sociopath who the liberal community had
freed through a technicality. Happens all the time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If public defenders get paid whether they do the
right thing or advocate on behalf of societies least social members well beyond
the point of fairness or reason, then they need to be regulated, because it is
NOT their job to second guess a jury endlessly.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Think we'll have a white
Christmas? -T</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=godshatter@yahoo.com href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">Paul
Rumelhart</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, November 25, 2006 4:45
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] A Pledge to
real Americans (Mikey Moore)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Tony,<BR><BR>I wish we lived in a world where the guilty were
"obviously guilty" and where no one was ever framed by a bunch of "good old
boys". Unfortunately, we don't live there. How many people have
been found to be innocent via dna testing of the charges that ultimately ended
up with them being executed?<BR><BR>The best we can do is have each side work
as hard as they can, despite what they may or may not believe about their
clients innocence, in presenting their case and have the court system
decide.<BR><BR>The statues of the blind lady with the scales in
courthouses? There is a reason she is blind. She doesn't get
swayed by the media, the color of the defendants skin, or how obvious the
situation looks on the surface.<BR><BR>Besides, public defenders get paid
whether they submit appeals or play minesweeper. Why not let them do
their jobs without berating them about it?<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR>Tony wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid002201c710e5$82811000$2b88e942@simpson type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Sunil, I see that the first two thirds of your last message to me consisted
of a fit of masturbatory name calling. I do trust you feel better, and hope
that you did not get any on you.
To address the questions you were able to ask after having composed
yourself: 1) The convicted have the right to be treated humanely as they
are locked up for the duration of their sentence. They do not have the
right to repeatedly fleece the community they have preyed on through the
actions of some unprincipled defense attorney who is less concerned for
justice than he is for his own job security.
2) There is no guarantee in our system to a ridiculously unrealistic
standard of proof in which a reasonable doubt is confused with ALL doubt.
3) And finally, YES! I do wish you would stop thieving from the taxpayer
by pursuing unrealistic and abusive legal measures on the undeserving behalf
of your criminal clients.
I do hope this helps clear up your confusion on the matter.
Best wishes for a pleasant and joyous holiday season. -T
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><sunilramalingam@hotmail.com></A>
Cc: <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><vision2020@moscow.com></A>
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Pledge to real Americans (Mikey Moore)
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Actually, Tony, it was yesterday that I was tired of your ignorance. I
read
your generalizations and mistatements, based on the most recent handful
you've grabbed from your nethers, and I ask myself, 'How can I help this
man? Is he as ignorant as he seems? Or can he learn? Perhaps if he
takes
his opposable thumbs out of their warm sanctuary and uses them to turn
pages, he can sound like he knows something.'
I'm trying to help you with that process.
What rights do the convicted have, Tony? I'm not talking about the more
limited set you wish them to have, I'm talking about the limited ones they
already have. What processes are guaranteed them under our system?
Should
their lawyers actually follow the law as it exists? Or would you prefer
that we were thieves, taking our money and not doing our jobs?
Sunil
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">From: "Tony" <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:tonytime@clearwire.net"><tonytime@clearwire.net></A>
To: "Sunil Ramalingam" <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><sunilramalingam@hotmail.com></A>
CC: <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><vision2020@moscow.com></A>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Pledge to real Americans (Mikey Moore)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 08:27:37 -0800
Sunil, you seem particularly upset this morning and it's beautiful
outside--cheer up!
You insist that my position that many lawyers are making a handsome living
by bringing endless appeals is "bullshit". However, the truth remains
that
whether they are working from a flat rate or hourly, they ARE well paid,
and it is WRONG to abuse the process by filing one measure after another
for years in an effort to free obviously guilty predators like the
Lankfords or Gene Stuart.
Can't a fellow of your obvious talent and intelligence make a living
advocating on behalf of society's innocent victims rather than their
tormentors? God knows they could use your protection and your conscience
could use some relief as well.
Have a safe and warm weekend. -T
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