[Vision2020] Curiosity

Thu Nov 9 10:33:40 PST 2006

While I can think of many things of the middle east how about if I just say
'not yet!' But you never know...soon, very soon.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Curiosity

Pat,

Do you see any similarities in the populations of Japan and Iraq, or Germany
and Iraq?  Do you see the homogeneity of Japan in the Iraqi population?

I suggest the fact that Iraq is made up of different groups, two of them
having been mistreated by the third, makes 'creating a democracy' quite
difficult.

Can you point to anywhere in the Middle East where this has been
accomplished by an invader?

Sunil

>From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Curiosity
>Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 10:19:16 -0800
>
>I am always amazed at some on this site who have the arrogance to think
>they know what I or others KNOW or do not know!
>If you have read any biography of other war time presidents you would know
>that at the time of the war many people said many things about them as in
>Lincoln, Roosevelt (both of them), Wilson or Truman. Years later looking at
>the result of their actions we know that they weren't nearly as wrong as
>some thought they were. I have a belief that history will be far less kind
>to the people in the USA now than Bush or anyone on his staff you can
>believe anything that suits you, for now. So, now those who have been
>whining, saying and writing many harsh things will have their chance to see
>what they can do and then history get the opportunity to judge them...so
>you may believe what you want about any of it...but the future will give us
>the whole story. Or maybe more of the story or maybe just the other side of
>the story. You can bet It won't be written by Molly Ivins. Read many things
>written in the forties that tell us that Japan could not possibly have a
>democratic government. They got a benevolent dictator (Macarthur) and
>learned more than anyone imagined they could. What could Iraqi look like
>with a better government? Germany, Japan, Korea or other places where the
>people have grabbed the opportunity and learned to do much better by their
>people are good examples. You seem to be locked into a 1930-40 mentality if
>I understand your post correctly...but I could be wrong.
>
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Art Deco
>   To: Vision 2020
>   Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:33 AM
>   Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Curiosity
>
>
>   Pat and others of similar ilk,
>
>   The British Philosopher John Locke said something like this:
>
>   "In order to accurately compare two objects or ideas, one must have a
>clear and accurate image/idea of each."
>
>   I doubt that you have a clear and accurate idea of what I or most V 2020
>posters think on the question I raised in this thread or the issues
>attendant.  Hence, it is quite foolish of you to compare anything with my
>or other poster's ideas.
>
>   You also assert:
>
>   "The history books have not been written on this subject yet."
>
>   Perhaps someone will demonstrate otherwise, but "history books" seldom
>agree on many things -- for example, works on the Viet Nam War provide a
>wide range of so-called contradictory facts and opinions.
>
>   Hence, there will be no clear and accurate on the subject at issue idea
>from the "history books."
>
>   Hence, you are comparing ideas upon which, most charitably, you have
>only the most blindingly foggy basis for comparison.
>
>   You would gain a great deal more credibility if your future posts were
>written with John Locke's advice in mind.
>
>   Affectionately,
>
>   Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
>   deco at moscow.com
>
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Pat Kraut
>   To: vision2020
>   Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:31 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Curiosity
>
>
>   The history books have not been written on this subject yet. I would be
>willing to bet that they do not say what you think they will but we must
>wait and see.
>
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: Art Deco
>     To: Vision 2020
>     Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 6:52 PM
>     Subject: [Vision2020] Curiosity
>
>
>
>
>     This is a meaningless but interesting question:
>
>     What effect would it have had on the election if Bush had fired
>Rumsfeld before the election?
>
>
>     W.
>
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