[Vision2020] Who Has More Influence in the Media? Was: ActiveTroops by and l

Mon Nov 6 07:27:44 PST 2006

Scott,

Couldn't of said it better. I agree one hundred percent. I don't care if 
dems or rep. control the house or senate. What I care about is they are 
moderate like myself.

The fact that kovis wants to portray all conservatives as the enemy is wrong 
on his part. There are a lot of good liberals and conservatives. If he wants 
to exclude all conservatives out of his life so be it.
My opinion remains that the media, mostly tv and the papers are liberal.

Matt

>From: Scott Dredge <sdredge at yahoo.com>
>To: Matt Decker <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Who Has More Influence in the Media? Was: 
>ActiveTroops by and l
>Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 23:43:22 -0800 (PST)
>
>Matt,
>
>
>
>Chuck Kovis wrote: "You guys control the three branches of the federal 
>goverment.  You control
>
>the three branches of Idaho government.    You control the media.  And you
>
>guys still bitch about liberals.  What the hell is the matter?  Can't you 
>guys take success?"
>
>The non-response to this was to rat hole on who has more influence in the 
>media.  I'm not sure
>why this matters.  It seems to me that the conservatives are very well 
>represented in the media,
>but maybe that's just because I happen to listen to a lot of conservative 
>talk radio.  Liberal talk
>radio, if there is such a thing, does not interest me..  I read today's 
>paper including Pat Buchanan's
>column.  I don't spend as much time reading the paper as I used to because 
>I pick off so much news
>a lot quicker just looking at the yahoo home page and yet I don't recall 
>any shortage of conservative
>columns.  Along with Buchanan, there were regular conservative columns by 
>Charles Krauthaummer
>and Cal Thomas.
>
>Personally, I don't particularly care for either party which is why I would 
>prefer to always see a balance
>with one party controlling Congress and the other controlling the White 
>House.  I don't care which party
>controls which branch, I would just like to see them split so that the 
>issues on the extreme fringes of each
>party just fall by the wayside and only the issues that are agreeable to 
>both sides are moved forward.
>
>Like Chuck, I'm amazed that the conservatives have consolidated all the 
>power and yet still complain
>about the liberals.  Liberals are not the reason for the failings of the 
>Bush administration.
>
>-Scott
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>
>From: Matt Decker <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
>
>To: chasuk at gmail.com; jampot at adelphia.net
>
>Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>
>Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2006 7:48:18 AM
>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Who Has More Influence in the Media? Was: 
>ActiveTroops by and l
>
>
>
>Chas,
>
>You said"That's a no-brainer, Gary, and you aren't stupid.  Are you really
>
>that
>
>desperate to score a win for the conservatives, that you have to
>
>resort to intellectual dishonesty?  Or are is Pat Kraut rubbing off on
>
>you?"
>
>
>
>I believe this original topic when Kovis said "WE" control the 3 branches
>
>and the media.
>
>Now granted Rush, Oreilly, and Hannity are big names. Are you really saying
>
>the the news agencies don't have a left sided bias? Or do you really feel
>
>they are down the middle? Its not a secret that the right control the 
>radio.
>
>To suggest we control the TV and movie scenes is blind. Even my Poly sci
>
>teacher who was very liberal understood this.
>
>
>
>Matt
>
>
>
> >From: Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com>
>
> >To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
>
> >CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Who Has More Influence in the Media? Was:
>
> >ActiveTroops by and large
>
> >Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 13:16:17 -0800
>
> >
>
> >This is a repost.  It contains the same content,  but with a few typo
>
> >corrections.
>
> >
>
> >*******************************************************************************************
>
> >
>
> >I will walk you through the relevant excerpts.  The thread began properly
>
> >with this post from Chuck Kovis:
>
> >
>
> > > You guys control the three branches of the federal goverment.  You
>
> >control
>
> > > the three branches of Idaho government.    You control the media.  And
>
> >you
>
> > > guys still bitch about liberals.  What the hell is the matter?
>
> >
>
> >Matt Decker responded:
>
> >
>
> > > Us guys control the media? Have you checked your stations lately?
>
> >
>
> >The thread meandered for a bit until Art Deco wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > CNN's answer to Bill O'Reily is Glenn Beck,  Beck is just as
>
> >conservative as
>
> > > O'Reily only not such an asshole about it.
>
> >
>
> >Matt responded:
>
> >
>
> > > Wow, golly, Gee Art. Your so right, and how could I think that the 
>media
>
> >has
>
> > > no spin. With all of the posts against my opinion, I have to believe
>
> >that
>
> > > Air America, ABC,NBC,CBS, and CNN are all conservative driven. What on
>
> > > Darwins green earth was I thinking.
>
> >
>
> >The thread is no longer about active troops supporting Bush; the title
>
> >really should have been changed.  Mea partially culpa.  I rectify that
>
> >in this post.  The tangent has clearly now devolved/evolved into a
>
> >discussion of who has more influence in the media, the conservatives
>
> >or the liberals.
>
> >
>
> >I posted a list of conservative celebrities, "celebrities [known] for
>
> >their impassioned espousal of conservative values, not celebrities who
>
> >happen to be conservative."
>
> >
>
> >Here is the relevant excerpt:
>
> >
>
> > > I can name Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity,
>
> > > Michael Reagan, Gordon Liddy, Bill O'Reilly, Michael Savage, Michael
>
> > > Medved, and Laura Schlessinger.  I've probably missed a few.  All of
>
> > > them, celebrity conservatives (.i.e,. celebrities for their
>
> > > impassioned espousal of conservative values, not celebrities who
>
> > > happen to be conservative).
>
> >
>
> >You post a list entirely dissimilar to mine, because you entirely miss
>
> >the point.
>
> >
>
> >You write:
>
> >
>
> > > So instead of "a comparable list full of celebrity liberals who get as
>
> >much
>
> > > media exposure" that you originally asked for, the list must now be
>
> > > comprised of celebrity liberals who have radio talk shows?
>
> >
>
> >Uh, you have it partially right, yes.  The discussion here is about
>
> >who has more influence in the media, the conservatives or the
>
> >liberals, which obviously means (as I clarified in my first post) that
>
> >any examples need to be "celebrities [known] for their impassioned
>
> >espousal of conservative values [or liberal], not celebrities who
>
> >happen to be conservative [or liberal]."
>
> >
>
> >I don't know who most of these people are:
>
> >
>
> >Terry Gross
>
> >Diane Rehm
>
> >Al Franken
>
> >Randi Rhoades
>
> >Thom Hartmann
>
> >Rachel Maddow
>
> >Steve Earle
>
> >Mike Newcomb
>
> >Bernie Ward
>
> >Mike Webb
>
> >Guy James
>
> >Laura Flanders
>
> >Ray Taliaferro
>
> >Niel Rogers
>
> >Lynn Cullen
>
> >Roxanne Walker
>
> >
>
> >You then anticipate my very real objection:
>
> >
>
> > > I could go on. Now, let me anticipate your next objection. 'Well 
>jeepers
>
> > > Gary, these folks don't have anything like the audience or the 
>notoriety
>
> >of
>
> > > the people I had on my list.'
>
> >
>
> >No shit.  We are talking about which philosophy has the most influence
>
> >in the media, conservative or liberal, so YES it makes a difference
>
> >that the folks on your list don't have anything like the audience or
>
> >the notoriety of the people on mine.
>
> >
>
> >I'll spell it out for you:
>
> >
>
> >Big Audience + Notoriety == Big Influence
>
> >Small Audience + Obscurity == Small Influence
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >That's a no-brainer, Gary, and you aren't stupid.  Are you really that
>
> >desperate to score a win for the conservatives, that you have to
>
> >resort to intellectual dishonesty?  Or are is Pat Kraut rubbing off on
>
> >you?
>
> >
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