[Vision2020] Who Has More Influence in the Media? Was: ActiveTroops by and l

[Matt Decker]

Chas,
You said"That's a no-brainer, Gary, and you aren't stupid.  Are you really 
that
desperate to score a win for the conservatives, that you have to
resort to intellectual dishonesty?  Or are is Pat Kraut rubbing off on
you?"

I believe this original topic when Kovis said "WE" control the 3 branches 
and the media.
Now granted Rush, Oreilly, and Hannity are big names. Are you really saying 
the the news agencies don't have a left sided bias? Or do you really feel 
they are down the middle? Its not a secret that the right control the radio. 
To suggest we control the TV and movie scenes is blind. Even my Poly sci 
teacher who was very liberal understood this.

Matt

>From: Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com>
>To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Who Has More Influence in the Media? Was: 
>ActiveTroops by and large
>Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 13:16:17 -0800
>
>This is a repost.  It contains the same content,  but with a few typo
>corrections.
>
>*******************************************************************************************
>
>I will walk you through the relevant excerpts.  The thread began properly
>with this post from Chuck Kovis:
>
> > You guys control the three branches of the federal goverment.  You 
>control
> > the three branches of Idaho government.    You control the media.  And 
>you
> > guys still bitch about liberals.  What the hell is the matter?
>
>Matt Decker responded:
>
> > Us guys control the media? Have you checked your stations lately?
>
>The thread meandered for a bit until Art Deco wrote:
>
> > CNN's answer to Bill O'Reily is Glenn Beck,  Beck is just as 
>conservative as
> > O'Reily only not such an asshole about it.
>
>Matt responded:
>
> > Wow, golly, Gee Art. Your so right, and how could I think that the media 
>has
> > no spin. With all of the posts against my opinion, I have to believe 
>that
> > Air America, ABC,NBC,CBS, and CNN are all conservative driven. What on
> > Darwins green earth was I thinking.
>
>The thread is no longer about active troops supporting Bush; the title
>really should have been changed.  Mea partially culpa.  I rectify that
>in this post.  The tangent has clearly now devolved/evolved into a
>discussion of who has more influence in the media, the conservatives
>or the liberals.
>
>I posted a list of conservative celebrities, "celebrities [known] for
>their impassioned espousal of conservative values, not celebrities who
>happen to be conservative."
>
>Here is the relevant excerpt:
>
> > I can name Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity,
> > Michael Reagan, Gordon Liddy, Bill O'Reilly, Michael Savage, Michael
> > Medved, and Laura Schlessinger.  I've probably missed a few.  All of
> > them, celebrity conservatives (.i.e,. celebrities for their
> > impassioned espousal of conservative values, not celebrities who
> > happen to be conservative).
>
>You post a list entirely dissimilar to mine, because you entirely miss
>the point.
>
>You write:
>
> > So instead of "a comparable list full of celebrity liberals who get as 
>much
> > media exposure" that you originally asked for, the list must now be
> > comprised of celebrity liberals who have radio talk shows?
>
>Uh, you have it partially right, yes.  The discussion here is about
>who has more influence in the media, the conservatives or the
>liberals, which obviously means (as I clarified in my first post) that
>any examples need to be "celebrities [known] for their impassioned
>espousal of conservative values [or liberal], not celebrities who
>happen to be conservative [or liberal]."
>
>I don't know who most of these people are:
>
>Terry Gross
>Diane Rehm
>Al Franken
>Randi Rhoades
>Thom Hartmann
>Rachel Maddow
>Steve Earle
>Mike Newcomb
>Bernie Ward
>Mike Webb
>Guy James
>Laura Flanders
>Ray Taliaferro
>Niel Rogers
>Lynn Cullen
>Roxanne Walker
>
>You then anticipate my very real objection:
>
> > I could go on. Now, let me anticipate your next objection. 'Well jeepers
> > Gary, these folks don't have anything like the audience or the notoriety 
>of
> > the people I had on my list.'
>
>No shit.  We are talking about which philosophy has the most influence
>in the media, conservative or liberal, so YES it makes a difference
>that the folks on your list don't have anything like the audience or
>the notoriety of the people on mine.
>
>I'll spell it out for you:
>
>Big Audience + Notoriety == Big Influence
>Small Audience + Obscurity == Small Influence
>
>
>That's a no-brainer, Gary, and you aren't stupid.  Are you really that
>desperate to score a win for the conservatives, that you have to
>resort to intellectual dishonesty?  Or are is Pat Kraut rubbing off on
>you?
>
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