[Vision2020] Crabtree's Breach Of Trust Serious Ethical Fault

Sun May 21 19:31:33 PDT 2006

> In this instance you're right and I was wrong. I apologize.
>
> gc
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
> To: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
> Cc: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 5:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Crabtree's Breach Of Trust Serious Ethical Fault
>
>
>> Much as I hate to admit it, I agree with Sunil and Keely. Of course, I 
>> won't be using Crabtree's services anytime soon because of an error on my 
>> part together with Jenifer's statement about proximity.
>>
>> It is interesting that Crabtree did suggest a connection between my 
>> electronic actions and my job recently on Vision 2020. He wrote:
>>
>> "It must be quite an adventure to be one of his students and have the 
>> temerity to hold an opinion that differs from his."
>>
>> Two wrongs don't make a right but an apology would be nice. Not that I 
>> expect it. I'm willing to move on either way.
>>
>> --
>> Joe Campbell
>>
>> ---- Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:
>>
>> =============
>> Sunil, Keely
>>
>> When I was small, a respected elder said to me:
>>
>> "If you do not want to be thought a liar, then start by not telling 
>> lies."
>>
>> Hence, if you do not want to be thought of as lacking integrity, than 
>> start
>> with showing that you do not lack integrity.
>>
>> There is no absolute connection between Gary's intentional outing of 
>> Joe's
>> message and his ethics as a locksmith.  However, I predict the 
>> probability
>> of someone's future actions by all their past actions in context that I 
>> am
>> aware of.  You can make your own judgments.
>>
>> I would not think of not doing business with Gary on the basis of his
>> opinions so far expressed here.  However, this last incident has nothing 
>> to
>> do with the gist of his opinions.  This last incident after Ted , Sunil, 
>> and
>> others discussed it has given me pause about doing business based on an
>> assessment of the strength of his integrity under the pressure of stress 
>> and
>> ill-will.
>>
>>
>> Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
>> deco at moscow.com
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 2:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Crabtree's Breach Of Trust Serious Ethical 
>> Fault
>>
>>
>>>I agree with Keely.  I don't think Gary's breach of an unwritten rule on
>>>this listserve is the same as a breach of his rules as a locksmith.
>>>
>>> Sunil
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>>>>To: deco at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Crabtree's Breach Of Trust Serious Ethical 
>>>>Fault
>>>>Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 14:09:50 -0700
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I am not a friend or fan of Gary Crabtree, but I have no reason 
>>>>whatsoever
>>>>to distrust his integrity as a locksmith and I think it's unwise to
>>>>suggest that he is unfit for his chosen work.
>>>>
>>>>Be nice and play fair.
>>>>
>>>>keely
>>>>
>>>>From: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
>>>>To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Crabtree's Breach Of Trust Serious Ethical 
>>>>Fault
>>>>Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 13:58:41 -0700
>>>>
>>>>Well, perhaps I should have someone else change my locks.  If you can't
>>>>trust a locksmith's integrity, then why trust secure access to the locks
>>>>installed by same.
>>>>
>>>>W.
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Sunil Ramalingam"
>>>><sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>>>>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 9:08 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Crabtree's Breach Of Trust Serious Ethical 
>>>>Fault
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>No, Gary made a deliberate decision to post an off-list communication.
>>>>>Here's the first paragraph:
>>>>>
>>>>>'Joe, I am sure that you would have preferred to keep this 
>>>>>communication
>>>>>on
>>>>>the down low, but I really thought that some of our friends on the 
>>>>>Vision
>>>>>would enjoy getting to see a different side of our mild mannered, oh so
>>>>>reasonable, philosophy professor, the esteemed Dr. Joseph Campbell. If
>>>>>this
>>>>>is in bad form or a breach of net etiquette, I'll try to deal with the
>>>>>sorrow.'
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm sure he'll say the same thing.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sunil
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>From: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
>>>>>>To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Crabtree's Breach Of Trust Serious Ethical
>>>>>>Fault
>>>>>>Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 16:44:54 -0700
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Perhaps it was just an innocent mistake that some of us have made
>>>>>>before. Let's give Gary the benefit of the doubt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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