[Vision2020] Crabtree's Breach Of Trust Serious Ethical Fault

Sat May 20 17:34:33 PDT 2006

Art et. al.

There is no "innocent mistake" in regards to this issue.  And I'm surprised
to read this statement, Wayne, when the post in question leaves little doubt
that there was no "innocent mistake."

Given Crabtree's conduct on this issue, I found Scott Dredge's comment about
Crabtree "seizing the moral high ground" just too much to ignore:

http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-May/029884.html

"...and after legitimately seizing the moral high ground, climbing up
further to the pinnacle and suggesting that we move on.  My hat is off to
you."

Crabtree was quite explicit, give him credit for that, that he was sending a
communication from Joe to the list that Joe might have preferred to keep "on
the down low."

Crabtree admits there may be a "breach of net etiquette" in this same post
where Joe's private e-mail is included, which is clearly labeled "OFFLINE,"
with only Crabtree's e-mail in the "To" line, with no "CC" addresses
either.  I can give Crabtree credit for presenting the e-mail from Joe with
no attempt to hide the fact that Joe's e-mail was private and labeled in
caps "OFFLINE."

I think that it is an important principle to insist that clearly labeled
private e-mail not be forwarded to the Vision2020 list, and it is rather
obvious that Crabtree knowingly forwarded Joe's private e-mail to Vision2020
to deliberately place Joe in a compromising situation:

http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-May/029780.html

Joe, I am sure that you would have preferred to keep this communication on
the down low, but I really thought that some of our friends on the Vision
would enjoy getting to see a different side of our mild mannered, oh so
reasonable, philosophy professor, the esteemed Dr. Joseph Campbell. If this
is in bad form or a breach of net etiquette, I'll try to deal with the
sorrow.
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>From the same post by Crabtree that included Joe's e-mail header as below:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at
adelphia.net<http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020>
>
To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at
adelphia.net<http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020>
>
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:13 PM
Subject: OFFLINE: [Vision2020] Re: David Horowitz [A gift to Ed] Was: A sad
dayin IDAHO
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Vision2020 Post by Ted Moffett

On 5/20/06, Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:
>
>  Perhaps it was just an innocent mistake that some of us have made
> before.  Let's give Gary the benefit of the doubt.
>
> W.
>  ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com>
> *To:* g. crabtree <jampot at adelphia.net>
> *Cc:* vision2020 at moscow.com ; sdredge at yahoo.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 20, 2006 2:45 PM
> *Subject:* [Vision2020] Crabtree's Breach Of Trust Serious Ethical Fault
>
>
>  Crabtree et. al.
>
> I'm not sure if anyone else has expressed on Vision2020 the assessment I
> make below, but either way, it needs to be said:
>
> You took a private e-mail, clearly labeled to remain private, and foisted
> it upon this public list, with full deliberation.  It is an unwritten rule
> on Vision2020 to not deliberately take private e-mail and post it to the
> list.  And in general, in private discussions between two people, in many
> cases, when discussion gets heated, there are often things said that both
> parties know are not meant to be made public.  And if someone uses a private
> statement made in this situation to slam someone publicly, it amounts to
> back stabbing.
>
> What was privately between you and Joe should have remained between you
> and Joe.  If you really believed there was a serious threat, which is
> doubtful in the extreme, you could have taken your case privately to law
> enforcement, who probably would have just laughed (silently to themselves,
> of course.)
>
> I regard your breach of the trust that is extended on Vision2020 to not
> make private e-mail public to be a far more serious ethical fault than any
> statement Joe made.
>
> You have not seized any moral high ground, despite what Scott Dredge so
> blithely asserted.  In fact, I would caution anyone who subscribes to
> Vision2020 to not send you private e-mail unless they can accept the e-mail
> ending up on this public list.
>
> Ted Moffett
>
>
> On 5/20/06, g. crabtree <jampot at adelphia.net > wrote:
> >
> >  Please, lets get something straight and put an end to the nonsense
> > about what is and is not battery or assault with regard to Joe's little
> > nastygram. I never at any time considered for so much as a second filing a
> > complaint. I tossed around no "legal jargon" and I made no attempt to
> > "counter-intimidate." While I don't believe for a second that the threat was
> > a joke made in all good fun, my only concern was for Joe hurting one of his
> > dainty little fingers when it came in contact with my face. Damaged digits
> > would make it difficult for the poor, abused dear to peck out his next
> > epistle on tolerance after all. For what its worth, I readily accept Joe's
> > apology such as it was and I am sorry that he feels he's such a victim. I
> > thought that Joisey Boys were supposed to be made of sterner stuff.
> > Apparently, another myth busted. Call Adam & Jamie. All this having been
> > said, how's about we leave this spot of unpleasantness in the archives and
> > move forward with fresh foolishness. My sadistic streak yearns to bait some
> > new, wide eyed innocent into fits of apoplexy. (Imagine the sound of hands
> > being rubbed together briskly while slathering chops are licked in
> > antici.....pation.)
> >
> > gc
> >
> >
> >
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