[Vision2020] Re: David Horowitz [A gift to Ed] Was: A sad day in IDAHO

Wed May 17 20:28:34 PDT 2006

Ed,

  Can you justify this statement you made?

  "True conservatives advocate equal rights for all; liberals want  special privileges for every diversity or enclave in the States. "

  I don't know of any liberals advocating special rights for anyone.  Perhaps you care to point some out. I am not a liberal, but I also know  the difference between special rights for some and equal rights for  all. 

  _DJA

Ed <ecooper at turbonet.com> wrote:              Chas,

  I'm  glad to see you're reading material from quality web sites. Horowitz is  not my hero, but a great visionary and thinker. He makes some valid  points in the article; but, in my estimation,  he fails to stress  the importance of our Constitutionally-grounded individual rights in a  society that is increasingly demanding group rights. 

  True  conservatives advocate equal rights for all; liberals want special  privileges for every diversity or enclave in the States. In my  estimation, he (Horowitz) was a bit over the line in his dismissal  of the KKK analogy. The KKK is somebody--even though their  intentions/actions are racially-driven. However, one could categorize  both these groups' agendas as harmful, detrimental to society. (Note, I  don't advocate violence towards any person or any group--or kicking  someone in the groin for that matter. )

  In sum, the article was well-written, but   failed to mention his true feelings about the homosexual agenda..

  FWIW,  my idol (if I had one) would be Lawrence Auster...another Jewish  American.. (Horowitz and Feder, also great conservative Jewish  intellects.) Course, I'm a racist, sexist, homophobe if you listen  to some people..

  Thanks for sharing the article, Chas.    I enjoyed it...

  --Ed
      ----- Original Message ----- 
    From:     Chasuk 
    To: Ed 
    Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com 
    Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:25     PM
    Subject: David Horowitz [A gift to Ed]     Was: A sad day in IDAHO

On 5/17/06, Ed <ecooper at turbonet.com>     wrote:

> Next, a well-written article, by a Jewish intellect, many     will find
> interesting

> HOMOSEXUALS HAVE EASTER BUNNY IN     THEIR SIGHTS

Thank you, Ed.  In the spirit of reciprocity, I'll     share an article
written by your hero, David Horowitz.  Actually, I     think everyone
should read this article.  I found it informative, and     Horowitz is
definitely not my hero.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=7910

Pride     Before a Fall

In four Gospels - including the Sermon on the Mount     -  Jesus neglected
to mention the subject of homosexuality. But that     hasn't stopped a
handful of self-appointed leaders of the so-called     Religious Right
from deciding that it is an issue worth the presidency of     the United
States. In what the Washington Times described as a "stormy     session"
last week, the Rev. Lou Sheldon, Paul Weyrich, Gary Bauer and     eight
other "social conservatives" read the riot act to RNC chairman     Marc
Racicot for meeting with the "Human Rights Campaign," a     group
promoting legal protections for homosexuals. This indiscretion,     they
said, "could put Bush's entire re-election campaign in     jeopardy."

According to the Times' report by Ralph Hallow, the RNC     chairman
defended himself by saying, "You people don't want me to meet     with
other folks, but I meet with anybody and everybody." To this     Gary
Bauer retorted, "That can't be true because you surely would not     meet
with the leaders of the Ku Klux Klan."

Nice analogy Gary. Way     to love thy neighbor.

This demand to quarantine a political enemy might     have had more
credibility if the target – the Campaign for Human Rights --     were
busily burning crosses on social conservatives' lawns. But     they
aren't. Moreover, the fact that it is, after all, crosses the Ku     Klux
Klan burns, might suggest a little more humility on the part     of
Christians addressing these issues. Just before the launching of     the
2000 presidential campaign, George Bush himself was asked     about
similarly mean-spirited Republican attacks. His response was     that
politicians like him weren't elected to pontificate about     other
people's morals and that his own faith admonished him to take the     beam
out of his own eye before obsessing over the mote in someone     else's.

The real issue here is tolerance of differences in a     pluralistic
society. Tolerance is different from approval, but it is     also
different from stigmatizing and shunning those with whom we     disagree.

I say this as someone who is well aware that Christians are     themselves
a persecuted community in liberal America, and as one who has     stood up
for the rights of Christians like Paul Weyrich and Gary Bauer to     have
their views, even when I have not agreed with some of their     agendas.
Not long ago, I went out on a public limb to defend Paul Weyrich     when
he was under attack by the Washington Post and other     predictable
sources for a remark he had made that was (reasonably)     construed as
anti-Semitic. I defended Weyrich because I have known him to     be a
decent man without malice towards Jews and I did not want to see     him
condemned for a careless remark. I defended him in order to     protest
the way in which we have become a less tolerant and more     mean-spirited
culture than we were.

I have this to say to Paul: A     delegation to the chairman of the RNC to
demand that he have no dialogue     with the members of an organization
for human rights is itself intolerant,     and serves neither your ends
nor ours. You told Racicot, "if the perception     is out there that the
party has accepted the homosexual agenda, the leaders     of the
pro-family community will be unable to help turn out the     pro-family
voters. It won't matter what we say; people will leave in     droves."

This is disingenuous, since you are a community leader and     share the
attitude you describe. In other words, what you are really saying     is
that if the mere perception is that the Republican Party has     accepted
the "homosexual agenda," you will tell your followers to defect     with
the disastrous consequences that may follow. As a fellow     conservative,
I do not understand how in good conscience you can do this.     Are you
prepared to have President Howard Dean or President John Kerry     preside
over our nation's security? Do you think a liberal in the White     House
is going to advance the agendas of social conservatives? What can     you
be thinking?

In the second place, the very term "homosexual     agenda," is an
expression of intolerance as well. Since when do all     homosexuals think
alike? In fact, thirty percent of the gay population     voted Republican
in the last presidential election. This is a greater     percentage than
blacks, Hispanics or Jews. Were these homosexuals simply     deluded into
thinking that George Bush shared their agendas? Or do they     perhaps
have agendas that are as complex, diverse and separable from     their
sexuality as women, gun owners or Christians, for that     matter?

In your confusion on these matters, you have fallen into the     trap set
for you by your enemies on the left. It is the left that insists     its
radical agendas are the agendas of blacks and women and gays. Are     you
ready to make this concession -- that the left speaks for     these
groups, for minorities and "the oppressed?" Isn't it the heart of     the
conservative argument that liberalism (or, as I would call     it,
leftism) is bad doctrine for all humanity, not just white     Christian
males?

If the President's party – or conservatism itself     -- is to prevail in
the political wars, it must address the concerns of all     Americans and
seek to win their hearts and minds. It is conservative values     that
forge our community and create our coalition, and neither you     nor
anyone else has - or should have - a monopoly in determining     what
those values are._____________________________________________________
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