[Spam] [Vision2020] Why Go After Them?

Wed May 10 20:17:08 PDT 2006

To clarify a couple of things, if I might...

Mr. Jeffs, a NON-pastorized "preacher" of his word (NOT God's), has arranged 
"marriages" between CHILDREN as young as 12 and adults as old as 48 - this 
is not love or any form of God's work, it is sexual assault, rape, child 
molestation, the damaging permanently of a child's life and mind, a SIN in 
any language, religion, faith, law, country, etc.  Mr. Ed or Dale or CD or 
any other "pervert" that allows this type of behavior as being "normal" and 
preferable belongs in the same cell as Mr. Jeffs will find himself in, for 
the same length of time - hopefully, that being the rest of their horrible, 
miserable, lousy lives.

Mr. Jeffs has also, in his own voice, been heard to say that anyone with 
dark skin is loathsome, uneducated, unworthy, vile, not to be dealt with in 
any other manner but through a death blow, etc.  If you watch the reports 
being done on him and his groups, you will notice NOT A SINGLE NON-WHITE 
PERSON is among them.  NOT ONE!  (sounds like your kinda group Mr. Ed?)

The very fact that they have "compounds" with armed guards and that this 
person is hiding from the FBI and other law enforcement agents speaks 
volumes and volumes of his knowing that his activities are wrong - he is 
HIDING...get it?!  He knows he is wrong and that not even God will protect 
him no matter how often or loudly he proclaims His name.

Anyone remember Waco?  How about Jonestown?

Why, in all that is Holy, would ANYone support that type of group?

J  :]

>From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>To: ecooper at turbonet.com, privatejf32 at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Spam] [Vision2020] Why Go After Them?
>Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:14:35 -0700
>
>Earlier this week, I apologized to Ed for having said that the "light" he 
>shone forth was, unlike the light of Christ to which he was referring, 
>simply garish, obnoxious, and without value (I was much more colorful, but 
>there's no need to repeat it).  I had second thoughts and apologized, 
>thinking I was judgmental, harsh, and unduly condemning.
>
>Never mind.
>
>Based on his comments below, which are another foaming-at-the-mouth rant 
>against homosexuality, I think I was right.  He is all heat, not light, and 
>whatever flashes of brilliance he shows are not intellectual in nature but 
>simply flashes of momentary ocular interruption.
>
>That Ed finds homosexual behavior sinful is one thing, although I hope he 
>would at least appeal to his understanding of the Bible and not to his own 
>disgust over what he perceives as icky -- we're in trouble if Ed's 
>standards become the norm.  And while I have said before that Christians 
>who hold to a conservative reading of Scripture regarding homosexuality are 
>not automatically better Christians, more Christlike and mature, than those 
>who don't, I will acknowledge that most conservative Christians see the 
>behavior condemned in the Bible.  But while there is legitimate dispute 
>over prooftexts that appear to be ironclad to some and not so to others, 
>there is NO dispute over the entirety of the OT and NT text, which calls 
>for love as the highest ideal.  Not heterosexuality, not conservatism, not 
>fundamentalism, not even disgust at sin.  And so, on that basis, I can 
>readily and unapologetically conclude that Ed is not shining forth the 
>light of his Savior, but a cheap and entirely offensive counterfeit that 
>does no one any good -- and certainly doesn't glorify God.
>
>More immediately bizarre, of course, is that he considers the polygamy of 
>Colorado City to be less evil than even committed, loving homosexual 
>relationships.  Remember what Ed apparently can't grasp:  that the Warren 
>Jeffs brand of polygamy, and much if not most other examples of 
>quasi-Mormon polygamy, are not examples of sexually healthy, free, 
>autonomous and of-age women simply being satisfied by one loving, albeit 
>fickle, stud.  These "women" are often young teenagers, and none of them 
>has the security of a loving community around them; the self-worth and 
>confidence to refuse sexual attention or childbearing; the autonomy to turn 
>down "marriages" to men who are strangers to them, or, worse, family 
>members; or the economic and social viability to escape.  Girls are raped, 
>boys are cast out as "competition" to the horny perverts who mask as God's 
>chosen leaders of the home, church, and society, and women are consigned to 
>a form of sexual slavery that is no less horrific because "God" is invoked 
>in its practice.
>
>Ed should be ashamed that he finds the practice of homosexuality, even 
>between two adults who love each other, more repugnant than the above.  On 
>the other hand, patriarchy and homophobia are two monuments to an idol 
>located south of a man's heart, and protecting that idol evidently involves 
>more bigotry than most people can possibly muster.
>
>keely
>
>
>
>
>From: "Ed" <ecooper at turbonet.com>
>To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Spam] [Vision2020] Why Go After Them?
>Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 08:22:16 -0700
>
>Hey J:
>
>Since my name was used derogatorily in your losing exchange with Dale, I 
>feel compelled to add my two cents. Although, I'm not a polygamist, I see 
>it's fruits (no pun intended) far less damaging than those of the abnormal, 
>twisted, despicable perversion of homosexuality...
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: J Ford
>   To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:12 PM
>   Subject: [Spam] [Vision2020] Why Go After Them?
>
>
>   Dale C:
>
>   Criminal Probe of Church
>
>   The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS) is 
>one
>   of a number of polygamist sects in and near Utah. Followers believe the
>   Mormons went the wrong direction when it abandoned polygamy more than a
>   century ago as Utah was seeking statehood.
>
>   Since we're in the middle of redefining "marriage", why go after this 
>group?
>
>   Me:
>
>   ARE YOU FRIGGING KIDDING???!!!  This group is so abusing its members,
>   women/children mostly, and you have to ask why they are being looked 
>into
>   and sought after?
>
>   CD Witmer says:
>
>   Why go after this group? Well, apart from the fact that they are
>   polygamists, they have the "look and feel" of WASPs and therefore don't 
>get
>   protected status. Now if they were promoting multiple-partner HOMOSEXUAL
>   marriage, you can bet they would be protected.
>
>   Me:
>
>   Geez, dude - what world do you live in?  You can't possibly be this sick
>   that you believe the crap you spew?!  Don't tell me - you're one of 
>those
>   "we whites have to stick together or get lost in the crowd" kinda
>   guys....like Mr. Ed?
>
>   Anyone else see a parallel of Colorado City to the Moscow that 
>Dougie-Boy is
>   working to create?  He may not be talking multiple marriages at one time
>   (yet) but he certainly has the land development , "own(ing of) 
>businesses
>   and property," the harassment of former members, etc. and other illegal
>   activities part down.  Only a matter of time....if Moscow just closes 
>it's
>   eyes long enough.
>
>   J  :|
>
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