[Vision2020] Re: Parasite?

[Art Deco]

Donovan tells us:

"The moral of the story here is, when God tells you to have sex with a woman and get her pregnant, by golly, you better do it!"

Yes!

I feel a holy vision coming on.  Perhaps Carl does also.  We all know with whom God will command Carl to have sex.  Being shy, I can't reveal the list of my potential collaborators that God will surely impose.

W.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Donovan Arnold 
To: Ralph Nielsen ; Vision2020 at moscow.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Parasite? 




"Why God killed Onan for his disobedience  instead of exacting the usual penalty (Deuteronomy 25:5-10) we are  not told. But anybody who reads the Bible carefully knows that we  can't trust in God."What a horrible thing to say! I trust in God more than myself.God took back Onan's life because God gave him a direct command to marryhis dead brother's wife and give her a child and Onan openly defied God. The moral of the story here is, when God tells you to havesex with a woman and get her pregnant, by golly, you better do it! :)I was also unaware that Holy Water induced an abortion. I thoughtthat only worked on vampires. _DJA
Ralph Nielsen <nielsen at uidaho.edu> wrote:
  [Vision2020] Re: Parasite?

  Joan Opyr joanopyr at moscow.com
  Tue Mar ! 14 08:31:43 PST 2006

  > Donovan asks: "I am curious, are you saying that the value of 
  life is
  > determined by its size?"

  Joan Opyr
  Chasuk's point, I believe, was that he cannot assign the terms
  "innocent" or "human" to a collection of cells the size of a pinhead.
  I have no idea (and neither does Donovan) how Chasuk defines the "value
  of life." I have no idea how Chasuk defines life, period. We human
  beings are a massive collection of living cells, a few hundred thousand
  of which "die" everyday. (Or is it millions? Biology 101 was a long
  time ago.) That said, though I am pro-choice, I am neither sanguine
  nor dismissive when it comes to moral qualms about abortion. In my own
  experience, the desire to carry a pregnancy to term is overwhelming,
  even when that pregnancy is dangerous, unwise, harmful, or devastating.
  I've known many women facing an unwanted pregnancy and the unwanted
  choice of whether or not ! to terminate. None of them danced down to the
  clinic or had an "I'm so relieved" party afterward.

  And, while I'm on the subject, let me just go ahead and stick my big
  sexist foot into this debate: until men become pregnant and face the
  physical risks and emotional turmoil themselves, I'm not all that
  interested in what they have to say on the subject. You want to hear
  me rant about vasectomies? About killing (or trapping) innocent
  spermatozoa who might, just might, one day fertilize an egg? Probably
  not. I don't recall abortion being mentioned in the Bible, but there's
  considerable food for thought when it comes to the sin of Onan. If
  you're spilling your seed onto the ground, gentlemen . . . God help
  you.

  Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
  www.joanopyr.com

  PS: And don't even start with Thou Shall Not Kill; there are too many
  qualifiers. Thou Shall Not Kill unless we're talking about a convicted
  criminal, or self-d! efense, or the "enemy." Pshaw.

  Ralph Nielsen
  Many Bible commentators prefer the word "murder" instead of "kill." A 
  Hebrew is specifically forbidden to murder a fellow Hebrew. Killing 
  people for picking up sticks on a Saturday is commanded by God.

  Joan is correct, the word "abortion" is not found in the Bible. But 
  God does speak of it in two places. Read my letter, the last one, in 
  the Lewiston Tribune, Sunday March 12.

  According to God's law, in Leviticus 27:3-7, the lives of children as 
  well as women are not valued as highly as those of adult men, while 
  no value whatsoever is given to a child under the age of one month. 
  There is no indication that a fetus has any status at all. So size 
  and gender do matter to God.

  Onan's sin was not that of coitus interruptus. It was his refusal to 
  impregnate his brother's widow in order to father a son for his dead 
  brother (Genesis 38:8-10). Why God killed Onan for ! his disobedience 
  instead of exacting the usual penalty (Deuteronomy 25:5-10) we are 
  not told. But anybody who reads the Bible carefully knows that we 
  can't trust in God.




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