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<DIV><FONT size=4>Donovan tells us:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"The moral of the story here is, when God tells you to have sex with a
woman and get her pregnant, by golly, you better do it!"</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Yes!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>I feel a holy vision coming on. Perhaps Carl does
also. We all know with whom God will command Carl to have sex.
Being shy, I can't reveal the list of my potential collaborators that
God will surely impose.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>W.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=nielsen@uidaho.edu
href="mailto:nielsen@uidaho.edu">Ralph Nielsen</A> ; <A
title=Vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 14, 2006 2:42 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Re: Parasite? </DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR><PRE><TT>"Why God killed Onan for his disobedience <BR>instead of exacting the usual penalty (Deuteronomy 25:5-10) we are <BR>not told. But anybody who reads the Bible carefully knows that we <BR>can't trust in God."<BR><BR>What a horrible thing to say! I trust in God more than myself.<BR><BR>God took back Onan's life because God gave him a direct command to marry<BR>his dead brother's wife and give her a child and Onan openly defied <BR>God. <BR><BR>The moral of the story here is, when God tells you to have<BR>sex with a woman and get her pregnant, by golly, you better do it! :)<BR><BR>I was also unaware that Holy Water induced an abortion. I thought<BR>that only worked on vampires. <BR><BR>_DJA<BR></TT></PRE><BR><B><I>Ralph
Nielsen <nielsen@uidaho.edu></I></B> wrote:
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Re: Parasite?<BR><BR>Joan Opyr joanopyr at moscow.com<BR>Tue Mar ! 14 08:31:43
PST 2006<BR><BR>> Donovan asks: "I am curious, are you saying that the
value of <BR>life is<BR>> determined by its size?"<BR><BR>Joan
Opyr<BR>Chasuk's point, I believe, was that he cannot assign the
terms<BR>"innocent" or "human" to a collection of cells the size of a
pinhead.<BR>I have no idea (and neither does Donovan) how Chasuk defines the
"value<BR>of life." I have no idea how Chasuk defines life, period. We
human<BR>beings are a massive collection of living cells, a few hundred
thousand<BR>of which "die" everyday. (Or is it millions? Biology 101 was a
long<BR>time ago.) That said, though I am pro-choice, I am neither
sanguine<BR>nor dismissive when it comes to moral qualms about abortion. In my
own<BR>experience, the desire to carry a pregnancy to term is
overwhelming,<BR>even when that pregnancy is dangerous, unwise, harmful, or
devastating.<BR>I've known many women facing an unwanted pregnancy and the
unwanted<BR>choice of whether or not ! to terminate. None of them danced down
to the<BR>clinic or had an "I'm so relieved" party afterward.<BR><BR>And,
while I'm on the subject, let me just go ahead and stick my big<BR>sexist foot
into this debate: until men become pregnant and face the<BR>physical risks and
emotional turmoil themselves, I'm not all that<BR>interested in what they have
to say on the subject. You want to hear<BR>me rant about vasectomies? About
killing (or trapping) innocent<BR>spermatozoa who might, just might, one day
fertilize an egg? Probably<BR>not. I don't recall abortion being mentioned in
the Bible, but there's<BR>considerable food for thought when it comes to the
sin of Onan. If<BR>you're spilling your seed onto the ground, gentlemen . . .
God help<BR>you.<BR><BR>Joan Opyr/Auntie
Establishment<BR>www.joanopyr.com<BR><BR>PS: And don't even start with Thou
Shall Not Kill; there are too many<BR>qualifiers. Thou Shall Not Kill unless
we're talking about a convicted<BR>criminal, or self-d! efense, or the
"enemy." Pshaw.<BR><BR>Ralph Nielsen<BR>Many Bible commentators prefer the
word "murder" instead of "kill." A <BR>Hebrew is specifically forbidden to
murder a fellow Hebrew. Killing <BR>people for picking up sticks on a Saturday
is commanded by God.<BR><BR>Joan is correct, the word "abortion" is not found
in the Bible. But <BR>God does speak of it in two places. Read my letter, the
last one, in <BR>the Lewiston Tribune, Sunday March 12.<BR><BR>According to
God's law, in Leviticus 27:3-7, the lives of children as <BR>well as women are
not valued as highly as those of adult men, while <BR>no value whatsoever is
given to a child under the age of one month. <BR>There is no indication that a
fetus has any status at all. So size <BR>and gender do matter to
God.<BR><BR>Onan's sin was not that of coitus interruptus. It was his refusal
to <BR>impregnate his brother's widow in order to father a son for his dead
<BR>brother (Genesis 38:8-10). Why God killed Onan for ! his disobedience
<BR>instead of exacting the usual penalty (Deuteronomy 25:5-10) we are <BR>not
told. But anybody who reads the Bible carefully knows that we <BR>can't trust
in
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