[Vision2020] oh, my, oh my, oh my...

[Carl Westberg]

Tom asks:  "The term "health nazi" has me perplexed.  What is a health 
nazi?"  I'm guessing it's either Joseph Mengele or someone, like me, who has 
the audacity to believe that as a non-smoker, I have the right to sit in a 
restaurant and not inhale someone else's cigarette smoke.  And other, uh, 
"Nanny state, statist, socialist, commie stuff" like that.                   
                                                                             
                                                                             
                                                                             
                               Carl Westberg Jr.


>From: Tom Ivie <the_ivies3 at yahoo.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] oh, my, oh my, oh my...
>Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 14:49:33 -0800 (PST)
>
>WHAT?! Social Causation of women in F-16's? I must admit, sometimes my 
>wife's reflexes are better than mine, especially when I tick her off.  At 
>those times she would probably be dangerous in an F-16.  But I am thinking 
>that is not the point being made? The term "health nazi" has me perplexed.  
>What is a health nazi? Maybe it would be more productive to describe 
>"feminist"?  Perhaps a strong woman who can think for herself?  Considers 
>themselves to be a "partner" in a relationship and not just an inactive 
>participant?
>
>Michael <metzler at moscow.com> wrote:        
>st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }                Keely & J,
>
>   I don’t think Wilson’s point (he quotes from his own book) was that 
>women in the pulpit led to sodomites and health nazi’s; rather, this led to 
>women in the cockpit of F-16s. This seems a tame claim to me, one I suspect 
>we would all actually agree with. Perhaps at the very most women in pulpits 
>led to feminism, but that doesn’t seem right historically.  So I’m assuming 
>this point about women is merely an illustration of social causation 
>involved with the separate and preceding list.
>
>   Michael Metzler
>
>   Wilson's vile spittal:
>
>   "The declension of culture in America is comparable to well-meaning but 
>naive parents who raise a child without discipline and without instilling 
>self-control and who are then shocked at the extent of the rebellion 
>apparent when that child gets away from home. The extent of our current 
>rebellion can be seen in our cultural parade of sodomites, cotqueans, 
>health nazis, and feminists. But the nature of this rebellion was 
>established long before. There were women in pulpits and standing at altars 
>long before they were seated in the cockpits of F-16s" (The Paideia of God, 
>p. 116).
>   Posted by Douglas Wilson - 3/6/2006 3:46:45 PM "
>
>   So, those involved with the doggy do-do in the cars, aimed ONLY at those 
>in disagreement with Doug - where do they fall within his tirade?  What 
>self-control did they show?  How about those that were invovled in the 
>snowball fight in the parking lot this winter, that a community business 
>owner complained of at a City Meeting?  Of the deceitful manner in which 
>Halverson gathered signatures for a bogus petition?  Or those that start up 
>businesses in illegal places and ways?  Or open betting houses and then 
>refuse to pay taxes on the house's "take"?  Obviously, I could go on and on 
>and on....
>
>   And in reference to "women at the pulpit" - where does that leave Debra? 
>  or Mary, for that matter?  What, now women can't even "stand at the 
>alter"?
>   Where's it say that?
>
>   And just what the bleep is a "health nazi"?  Or is this another example 
>of Doug calling someone names that he does not agree with?  Guess you 
>missed the part in the Bible, Doug, that says "Love your neighbor as 
>yourself" - either that, or you have a boat-load of self-loathing going on.
>
>   J  :]
>
>
>
>
>   >From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>   >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>   >Subject: [Vision2020] oh, my
>   >Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 12:40:04 -0800
>   >
>   >
>   >While checking out Blog and Mablog, Doug Wilson's contribution to . . .
>   >well, to something . . . I noticed a post dated March 6 called "Where
>   >The Problem Started."  While DW is quoting again from another work, he
>   >clearly affirms the message, and as a woman who has stood in the pulpit
>   >and preached, I was unaware I had caused so many of the world's alleged
>   >problems.
>   >
>   >Vile stuff, but filling enough for his audience, I guess.  After all,
>   >even weak and abused sheep get hungry enough to munch on thistles.
>   >
>   >keely
>
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