[Spam] RE: [Vision2020] Good bye my dear friend

[Michael Curley]

Chris:
I defer to you and others who were good friends of Phil.
I would only point out that if you are considering a 2020 "memorial" 
to Phil, perhaps it could start not so much with kinder, gentler 
words but with a willingness to listen and understand--and 
occasionally grant that not everything is a simple two-sided issue.  
Phil's words, posted by Dave Johnson were:

"The biggest real advantage that can come of the list serv is to 
break past the normal barriers to left right discourse and make those 
who tend to demonize their opposition see people rather than enemies 
in their line of sight.  I actually post there in hope that it can 
heal rifts rather than continue to create them.

"The red blue chasm that political warfare has spawned in the USA is 
particularly strong in Moscow.  Either it has to be healed or civic 
discourse will continue to falter.  Unlike other areas in Idaho, 
Moscow is fairly evenly divided between the parties, so solving it is 
more important here than in other locations in the state."

After he died, I still had many messages on my "new mail" list from 
Phil--and responses thereto from others.  I wondered if anyone 
thought  "I wish my tone had been different to Phil in the last post 
I made to him."

It's obviously too late to tell Phil.  Perhaps part of Phil's legacy 
can be that we talk to one another in ways we would not regret if 
death or disability struck either of us the next day. In ways that do 
not demonize. Ways that see people, not enemies.  In ways that, at 
least occasionally, span the chasm.

Regards to all,
Mike Curley



From:           	Chris Storhok <cstorhok at co.fairbanks.ak.us>
To:             	"'Art Deco'" <deco at moscow.com>, vision2020 at moscow.com,
       	Leslie Falen
	<lfalen at uidaho.edu>
Date sent:      	Fri, 3 Mar 2006 17:13:34 -0900 
Copies to:      	Subject:        	[Spam] RE: [Vision2020] Good bye my dear friend


Wayne,
I agree with you on this one, Phil loved a good loud debate and I am 
sure he would not approve of toning down the rhetoric on this site. 
 Heck, I know he loved V2020 precisely because of the style of debate 
on this site; he often would tell me that V2020 emails were the first 
he checked in the morning and often would result in him calling me 
and ranting about this or that.
If you were to do anything in Phil's honor; just remember that your 
words are a creative force that should never be taken lightly and 
always remember that even one man or women can change the world, God 
knows he did.
Chris 



From: Art Deco [mailto:deco at moscow.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 4:53 PM
To: Chris Storhok; vision2020 at moscow.com; Leslie Falen
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Good bye my dear friend


Chris, Joan, Tom, All,



It is greatly saddening and shocking to hear of Phil's passing.My 
heart goes out to his family, friends, and all those he touched with 
his being.



ThoughPhil and Ifrequently butted heads on this forum and 
elsewhere, sometimes quite vigorously and rancorously, he was to me 
an important,admirable, and influential person in our community. 



Not only was Phil a very complex person, but extremely intelligent, 
educated, experienced, and fiery. He was involved in many noble 
causes and was very well-liked by those who knew him personally.



I like Tom Hansen's idea of a Vision 2020 memorial to Phil -- a 
memorial whichepitomizes what Phil brought to this forum in spades: 
fearless, unlimited, frank, rigorous, no-holds-barred debate on many 
timely topics, not to mention his sensitive poetry, and his soft, 
very compassionateside that he could not concealbut occasionally 
permitted to peak out. No one could ever say that Phil lacked 
courage.No one could say that despite some very heated exchanges 
Phil did not eventually forgive and start over afresh with his 
disputants without hard feelings.





I hope the followingdoes not upset anyone but, it probably will:



I have received some communications which suggest that in honor of 
Phil's demise we should be kinder to each other on Vision 2020.



I realize that this suggestion was made with allthe best 
ofintentions. However, I, perhaps erroneously, find such a 
suggestion to be not only disrespectful to the memory of the strength 
and nature of Phil's character, but amounts to speaking quite ill of 
the dead and his very passionate, truth-seeking identity.



Phil was a very zealous, articulate debater. He was adept at 
presenting his views and countering the arguments of those he 
opposed. He was contentious, enjoyed being contentious, and would 
most likely be insulted if someone said otherwise. One could not 
read some of his posts without feeling the rush that he must have 
felt when composing them. His posts were also quite able to create 
seething rushes for many of his readers. The passionate debates 
heparticipated in frequently led, in one way or another, to many 
fruits that greatly benefited our community.



Like many of us on this forum, Phil was also adept at hurling 
invective. When engaged inpassionate debate, kindness was not 
always his style.Clever, bombastic, lashingpersonal commentarywas 
sometimes an integral part of his rhetoric. I don't, and I think 
very few hold grudges against Phil for his personal remarks.It was 
part of his style and made many of his posts more interesting, 
exciting, stimulating,and entertaining. I thinkmost of us took his 
hot words with a large grain of salt and tried to appreciate and to 
understand the underlying arguments he was making.



Hence, I believe to say to honor Phil by being kinder in debate is 
not a compliment to Phil but a serious put-down, and definitely not a 
suggestion he would approve. On the contrary, again perhaps 
erroneously, I believe that Phil would have urged in his honor 
continued rigorous, no-holds-barred debate, not only for the great 
love of free expression he infectiously exhibited during his life but 
because of the many fruits that can eventually can flow from such 
debate as it did from his powerful, contentious, often outspoken 
involvement in community affairs.



I will sadly miss Phil and the stimuli he provided. Let us 
appreciate him for the complex,quick wittedperson, influence,and 
power he was and,when appropriate to each individual, wish him 
Godspeed not without a tear in our eyes.



Wayne A. Fox
1009 Karen Lane
PO Box 9421
Moscow, ID 83843



(208) 882-7975
waf at moscow.com
deco at moscow.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Chris Storhok 

To: vision2020 at moscow.com 

Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 12:24 PM

Subject: [Vision2020] Good bye my dear friend




To all of you,
As most of you may have known Phil and I were close friends. As I 
sit and type this out my heart aches for his family, his sons, 
Marian, and his parents. 
Rarely in life do we get the pleasure of meeting a person like Phil. 
He was a one of a kind person who truly cared. I am so glad that 
many of you have gotten to know Phil and have a beer or two with him. 
He respected all of you, he may not have agreed with you but he did 
respect you. 

When Phil moved to Moscow in 2001 he came into town with the best of 
ideals, he came with passion, hope, and a dream of prosperity for 
north central Idaho. He spoke of the joy that under-funded schools 
will receive mineral royalties from the clay project. He loved the 
idea of using his talents to restore the Potlatch River to a major 
salmon spawning ground in much the same way that he worked to restore 
tributaries of the Salmon River.

Many of you would point out Phil's short comings; he loved it and 
lived for it. Last week when him and I talked for a while he 
expressed the thrill of debate with many of you, especially Wayne, 
Tom, and Nick. This V2020 list serve was very special to him, and 
you all meant so much to him. Joan, thanks for getting to know Phil 
and allowing him to write on New West. I know when he first read 
your work he was challenged by you, your stance on many issues forced 
him to look inside himself and re-examine much of his political and 
personal thoughts. 

Mark, I am so glad that you and Phil were able to work together 
again, no matter what side of the isle you were on, he respected you 
very deeply and truly loved the challenge you brought to bear. 
Thanks.

I know personally Phil always challenged me to dig deeper, examine 
the situation, and strive for a better solution. An evening of beer 
of Mingles was a treat for me, and usually I had to lead Phil home. 
Dang it Phil, you were way to young bud..... 

He was a lover of Idaho, it people, its history, and its future. He 
loved Moscow and I have a feeling that he was comfortable dying 
there. 

To my best friend, 
Shalom

Chris


Chris Storhok
North Pole, AK





From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-
bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of DonaldH675 at aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 10:31 AM
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: [Vision2020] Kaddish for Phil Nesbit


Glorified and sanctified be God's great name throughout the world 
which He has created according to His will. May He establish His 
kingdom in your lifetime and during your days, and within the life of 
the entire House of Israel, speedily and soon; and say, Amen.

May His great name be blessed forever and to all eternity. 

Blessed and praised, glorified and exalted, extolled and honored, 
adored and lauded be the name of the Holy One, blessed be He, beyond 
all the blessings and hymns, praises and consolations that are ever 
spoken in the world; and say, Amen.

May there be abundant peace from heaven, and life, for us
and for all Israel; and say, Amen.

He who creates peace in His celestial heights, may He create peace 
for us and for all Israel; and say, Amen.



Rose Huskey



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