[Vision2020] Eavesdropping

Thu Mar 2 23:18:57 PST 2006

How in the world do you get from cell phones making foreign calls and
talking about bombs to storm troopers entering houses?? The issues are
totally different and new technology in communications require new ways of
working for the courts and cops. I love warrants...I just do not want to tie
the hands of the cops so tightly that we are not safe. There has to be a way
for us to work this out so that responsible people can check out bad people
before someone or a lot of someones die...not after. I understand the
problem Phil but at least Bush has qualified his listening...we just have to
pray for who ever is next that they have some integrity. (Oh Joy, here comes
all the attacks on Bush.....)

Sunil

What about the case of wireless transmission?  My understanding was that in
the case of portable phones and radio phones the rules with regards to
warrants were not the same as with land lines.  Would the same rule be true
if satellite or cell phones were involved?

Then the other question would be if a call originates from out side of
CONUS, do those rules apply?

Phil

PS, To Pat, its a pretty rare case that would justify warrantless search.
Its a way slippery slope to domestic spying once it becomes standard
procedures and if it gets allowed under one party, what happens when the
other gets into power?

>From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>To: pkraut at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Eavesdropping
>Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:18:23 -0800
>
>Pat,
>
>Do you welcome the police to come and search through your home without a
>warrant?  If they don't find anything, no harm, right?
>
>I know they won't find anything illegal in my house, but for my part, if
>they want to search it, they need a warrant.  That's what required by
>what's left of the Fourth Amendment, and I will hold them to it.
>
>You've written in the past that you have taught the Constitution.  What
>does the Bill of Rights mean to you?  Surely it wasn't written with the
>'What are you trying to hide?' attitude of your post below.
>
>Sunil
>
>
>>From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>>To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Eavesdropping
>>Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 22:19:17 -0800
>>
>>If you were talking about planting bombs and visiting in the middle east
>>then yes your calls could be should be heard. If you called your parents
>>in
>>Florida and didn't talk about bombs then they would find that your not who
>>they are looking for...it isn't that hard.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Tom Hansen" <idahotom at hotmail.com>
>>To: <pkraut at moscow.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>Cc: <idahotom at hotmail.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 11:51 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Eavesdropping
>>
>>
>>Ms. Kraut -
>>
>>I believe that Mr. Reynolds is suggesting that Mr. Nisbet relay his claim
>>of
>>beinig a "victim" of warrantless wiretaps to the media.  A claim, such as
>>Mr. Nisbet's (that he was unlawfully wiretapped by the Department of
>>Justice
>>during the Clinton administration), would certainly draw some well
>>deserved
>>attention.
>>
>>If my residence were unlawfully wiretapped by the Department of Justice I
>>most certainly would not wait a considerable length of time only to
>>discuss
>>it on V2020.
>>
>>Ms. Kraut goes on to ask:
>>
>>"If a person can buy a throw away cell phone in a store (maybe a[t] Wally
>>World!) use if for the two hours there is time for talk about bombs and
>>then
>>the number is no longer good how do you think they should get a warrant?"
>>
>>You know something, Ms. Kraut:  Over the past couple years when I flew
>>down
>>to visit my parents in Los Angeles, and before I purchased a cell phone, I
>>made use of those throw-away cell phones.  They are inexpense and handy.
>>
>>Is it your belief that "they" should have detained me simply because I had
>>a
>>throw-away cell phone?  Should "they" detain everybody that uses those
>>throw-away cell phones?
>>
>>You see, Ms. Kraut, there is a reason why our founding fathers were kind
>>enough to bless our private lives with the US Constitution's fourth
>>amendment.
>>
>>But then, George Bush is not only above the law, HE IS THE LAW and, as
>>everybody knows, . . .
>>
>>"The law is for protection of the people."
>>http://www.tomandrodna.com/Sounds/Protection.mp3
>>
>>"Ah, so thank your lucky stars you got protection
>>Walk the line and never mind the cost.
>>Don't wonder who them lawmen was protectin',
>>When they nailed the saviour to the cross."
>>
>>Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>
>>Tom Hansen
>>Moscow, Idaho
>>
>>
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