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Fri Jun 30 12:07:11 PDT 2006

Mr.Metzler,

The video, which was my first concern, was posted on v2020, so I
responded to it on v2020. While I was at it, I mentioned the picture which I
had seen several months earlier and considered asking him to remove
off-list, but never did. I didn't bother, and though I was upset, (because
it was being used against NSA), I considered just letting it go.

I don't mean this to be some big deal. I would think Mr. Hansen would
understand my request, and simply remove it. (If he just removed the
picture, without replacing it, it would take him under a minute)

-Daniel F

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Michael" <metzler at moscow.com>
To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:40:16 -0700
Subject: [Vision2020] Image and Videos

>  Daniel,
>
>
>
> Thanks for the explanation.  I think you missed Rose's point, but I'll let
> her further take that up with you. Your explanation helps, and I thank you
> for responding in kindness; but I'm still wondering if demanding Tom to
> remove the picture, the picture he has already spent time custom editing for
> his own purpose, has any helpful long term effects.  The overall hurt done
> to NSA will not seem to be effected by the removal of that picture – which
> has been boasted for months now anyway – since the overall hurt is primarily
> going to be caused by general public opinion and how upset you get your more
> aggressive opponents.  In this context, it seems that demanding Tom to
> remove this picture will produce more long run damaging effects than if you
> just turned the other cheek and granted him permission.  I think that if you
> would have privately emailed him a gracious letter explaining your
> disagreement with its use but that he had permission to use your picture,
> more could have been won for the side of NSA.  Also consider that the
> picture is very well done and makes the NSA building – and my paint job --
> look its best.  Tom's photo shop hack job makes him look bad (sorry Tom, but
> I'm assuming you are not a professional graphic designer), whereas you have
> more exposure of a good marketing picture.  This is why I still suspect that
> there is still something more to this response to your critics and something
> resonating with other kirker responses.
>
>
>
> Yours,
>
> Michael Metzler
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Rose Husky,
>
> First of all, every image or video that Dale Courtney has on his blog was
> given to him by me. I gave him full right to use my images.
>
> Secondly, *his* site is copyrighted, as well as mine, (see the bottom
> of Courtney's blog or title header of mine), so taking an image or
> video from his site would infringe that copyright. So if Tom Hansen took
> those pics off Dale Courtney's site, it would be just as bad as taking them
> from mine.
>
>
>
> If you think Dale Courtney is misusing copyrighted material, contact him
> about that. But he is not using any of* my* images that he does not have
> full permission for.
>
>
>
> __________
>
>
>
> Mr. Metzler,
>
> concerning the picture. It was not only copied without my permission, but
> edited as well. It is being used in what I believe to be an unkind way
> towards my school. It's one thing to have a site have CUP information, it's
> another thing to use a picture of NSA with a moving truck, and a song
> basicly saying "Get out!"
>
> In short, I went to some length to get that picture (tripod late at night
> during first snow in the middle of main street), and I don't want it used on
> a site trying to kick my school out of town.
>
>
>
> I'm sorry about the twenty minutes that he will have to spend taking it
> down and replacing it. I spent a lot more than 20 minutes taking and
> stitching those pictures.
>
>
>
> -Daniel Foucachon
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Donald R. & Rosemary J. Huskey" <donaldrose at cpcinternet.com>
> To: "Daniel Foucachon" < daniel at lyonministries.com>
> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:20:03 -0000 (GMT)
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Image and Video use
> Hi Daniel,
>
> While I would never presume to speak for Tom Hanson, and certainly don't
> claim any knowledge of internet copywrite law, I would appreciate it if
> you extend your request regarding the unauthorized use of photographs to
> your fellow church member, Dale Courtenay.  Surely as a Christian brother
> he would be receptive to your request.  And, I suggest to you, purely as a
> bystander, that whatever response, explanation, or action that springs
> from Dale should be emulated by Tom.  After all, isn't the duty (and
> privelege) of Godly Kirkers to model the behavior that we should all
> imitate.
>
> Wow, the powerf of an email name is really starting to kick in.
>
> Glad to see you you are taking an interest at so many city issues.
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "TIM RIGSBY" <tim.rigsby at hotmail.com>
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:40:39 -0600
> Subject: [Vision2020] Links to misused images on Dale's site
> Oh and here are some of the many links of the misuse of an image on Dale's
> blahg.
>
> http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2005/08/13/35836.aspx
>
> http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2005/08/13/35845.aspx
>
> http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2005/04/28/3470.aspx
>
> http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2006/02/28/41858.aspx
>
> http://right-mind.us/blogs/moscoweducation/archive/2006/01/03/40123.aspx
>
> http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2005/07/23/35069.aspx
>
> http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2005/07/23/35067.aspx
>
> http://right-mind.us/blogs/moscoweducation/archive/2006/01/02/40100.aspx
>
> http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2005/06/23/13329.aspx
>
> http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2005/06/30/15346.aspx
>
> http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2005/06/11/6525.aspx
>
> http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2005/06/28/15234.aspx
>
> http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2005/07/23/35068.aspx
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>
> " 'Politics is the art of controlling your environment.' That is one of
> the
> key things I learned in these years, and I learned it the hard way.
> Anybody
> who thinks that 'it doesn't matter who's President' has never been Drafted
> and sent off to fight and die in a vicious, stupid War on the other side
> of
> the World -- or been beaten and gassed by Police for trespassing on public
> property -- or been hounded by the IRS for purely political reasons -- or
> locked up in the Cook County Jail with a broken nose and no phone access
> and
> twelve perverts wanting to stomp your ass in the shower. That is when it
> matters who is President or Governor or Police Chief. That is when you
> will
> wish you had voted." - Hunter S. Thompson
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "rvrcowboy" <rvrcowboy at clearwire.net>
> To: "Vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>, "Donovan Arnold" <
> donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:52:18 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Most Americans Love Wal-Mart-69%
>  Donovan,
>
> I sincerely hope I don't sound too much like a liberal here but I also
> have problems with Wal Mart.  Unlike many, here in the forum, I bear no
> particular hate for the company but I do question many of their business
> policies.
>
> I recognize the value of having a large company in the area that will hire
> many people who would otherwise most likely not be able to get a job.
> (Please don't construe that to mean I think all Wal Mart employees are
> incapable of working elsewhere.)  Wal Mart provides quality products at a
> good price and that is hard to argue with.
>
> I have problems with all large corporations, with their national, and
> international, buying power coming into an area and unfairly competing with
> local businesses who have sacrificed much to build up their community.  This
> is probably irrational of me since it is the way of the global economy and
> will likely be the only way business can compete in the future, as big
> corporations swallow up more and more locals and become more involved in the
> niche businesses that locals have turned too.  It is difficult for me to
> understand why so many clamor for U. N. control of the world, which will
> surely lead to an absolute global economy, but protest businesses like Wal
> Mart.  Just doesn't make sense to me.
>
> Wal Mart, and other big corporations, force taxpayers to subsidise their
> employees through medical insurance, since they do not provide adequate
> coverage for their employees and do not pay enough to allow them to acquire
> their own.  At the end of every business day, these corporations deposit
> huge sums of money, extracted from the local economy, into accounts with
> headquarters overseas, or far from the area, draining money from the local
> economy that may be better used to promote business locally.
>
> There are other reasons why I like/dislike companies like Wal Mart but I
> am sure they have all been covered here in this forum before, by others who
> have given much more thought to it than I.  I shop at Wal Mart, even though
> I have my reservations about it.  Guess that makes me a hypocrite but I
> suppose most of those who rail on against them also shop there from time to
> time.
>
> It is a tough question and I would probably not protest against Wal Mart
> in my area but still have to admit I have respect for those who do.  In the
> end, I believe it is a loosing battle since the global economy is rapidly
> consuming the retail business from any local control.
>
> Take care..
>
> Dick S
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> *To:* vision2020 at moscow.com
> *Sent:* Friday, June 30, 2006 8:28 AM
> *Subject:* [Vision2020] Most Americans Love Wal-Mart-69%
>
>
> Taken from Dale Courtney's Blog: The Right Mind
>
> http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2006/June%20Dailies/walmart.htm
>
> Here is a fact for naysayers of Wal-Mart to chew on; "Lower and middle
> income Americans are more likely to have a favorable opinion of Walmart than
> upper income Americans."
>
> Best,
>
> _DJA
>
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