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<div>The video, which was my first concern, was posted on v2020, so I responded to it on v2020. While I was at it, I mentioned the picture which I had seen several months earlier and considered asking him to remove off-list, but never did. I didn't bother, and though I was upset, (because it was being used against NSA), I considered just letting it go.
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<div>I don't mean this to be some big deal. I would think Mr. Hansen would understand my request, and simply remove it. (If he just removed the picture, without replacing it, it would take him under a minute)</div>
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<div>-Daniel F<br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: "Michael" <<a href="mailto:metzler@moscow.com">metzler@moscow.com</a>><br>To: <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com
</a>><br>Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:40:16 -0700<br>Subject: [Vision2020] Image and Videos<br> </div>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Daniel,</span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Thanks for the explanation. I think you missed Rose's point, but I'll let her further take that up with you. Your explanation helps, and I thank you for responding in kindness; but I'm still wondering if demanding Tom to remove the picture, the picture he has already spent time custom editing for his own purpose, has any helpful long term effects. The overall hurt done to NSA will not seem to be effected by the removal of that picture – which has been boasted for months now anyway – since the overall hurt is primarily going to be caused by general public opinion and how upset you get your more aggressive opponents. In this context, it seems that demanding Tom to remove this picture will produce more long run damaging effects than if you just turned the other cheek and granted him permission. I think that if you would have privately emailed him a gracious letter explaining your disagreement with its use but that he had permission to use your picture, more could have been won for the side of NSA. Also consider that the picture is very well done and makes the NSA building – and my paint job -- look its best. Tom's photo shop hack job makes him look bad (sorry Tom, but I'm assuming you are not a professional graphic designer), whereas you have more exposure of a good marketing picture. This is why I still suspect that there is still something more to this response to your critics and something resonating with other kirker responses.
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Yours,</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Michael Metzler</span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Rose Husky, </span></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">First of all, every image or video that Dale Courtney has on his blog was given to him by me. I gave him full right to use my images.</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Secondly, <em><i><font face="Times New Roman">his</font></i></em> site is copyrighted, as well as mine, (see the bottom of Courtney's blog or title header of mine), so taking an image or video from his site would infringe that copyright. So if Tom Hansen took those pics off Dale Courtney's site, it would be just as bad as taking them from mine.
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">If you think Dale Courtney is misusing copyrighted material, contact him about that. But he is not using any of<em><i><font face="Times New Roman"> my
</font></i></em> images that he does not have full permission for. </span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">__________</span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Mr. Metzler, </span></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">concerning the picture. It was not only copied without my permission, but edited as well. It is being used in what I believe to be an unkind way towards my school. It's one thing to have a site have CUP information, it's another thing to use a picture of NSA with a moving truck, and a song basicly saying "Get out!"
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">In short, I went to some length to get that picture (tripod late at night during first snow in the middle of main street), and I don't want it used on a site trying to kick my school out of town.
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I'm sorry about the twenty minutes that he will have to spend taking it down and replacing it. I spent a lot more than 20 minutes taking and stitching those pictures.
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">-Daniel Foucachon</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: "Donald R. & Rosemary J. Huskey" <<a title="mailto:donaldrose@cpcinternet.com" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:donaldrose@cpcinternet.com" target="_blank">
donaldrose@cpcinternet.com</a>><br>To: "Daniel Foucachon" < <a title="mailto:daniel@lyonministries.com" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:daniel@lyonministries.com" target="_blank">
daniel@lyonministries.com</a>><br>Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:20:03 -0000 (GMT)<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Image and Video use<br>Hi Daniel,<br><br>While I would never presume to speak for Tom Hanson, and certainly don't
<br>claim any knowledge of internet copywrite law, I would appreciate it if<br>you extend your request regarding the unauthorized use of photographs to<br>your fellow church member, Dale Courtenay. Surely as a Christian brother
<br>he would be receptive to your request. And, I suggest to you, purely as a<br>bystander, that whatever response, explanation, or action that springs<br>from Dale should be emulated by Tom. After all, isn't the duty (and
<br>privelege) of Godly Kirkers to model the behavior that we should all<br>imitate.<br><br>Wow, the powerf of an email name is really starting to kick in.<br><br>Glad to see you you are taking an interest at so many city issues.
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </span></font></p></div></div><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: "TIM RIGSBY" <<a href="mailto:tim.rigsby@hotmail.com">
tim.rigsby@hotmail.com</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:40:39 -0600<br>Subject: [Vision2020] Links to misused images on Dale's site<br>Oh and here are some of the many links of the misuse of an image on Dale's
<br>blahg.<br><br><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2005/08/13/35836.aspx" target="_blank">http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2005/08/13/35836.aspx
</a><br><br><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2005/08/13/35845.aspx" target="_blank">http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2005/08/13/35845.aspx</a>
<br><br><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2005/04/28/3470.aspx" target="_blank">http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2005/04/28/3470.aspx</a><br>
<br><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2006/02/28/41858.aspx" target="_blank">http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2006/02/28/41858.aspx</a><br><br>
<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/moscoweducation/archive/2006/01/03/40123.aspx" target="_blank">http://right-mind.us/blogs/moscoweducation/archive/2006/01/03/40123.aspx
</a><br><br><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2005/07/23/35069.aspx" target="_blank">http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2005/07/23/35069.aspx</a>
<br><br><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2005/07/23/35067.aspx" target="_blank">http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2005/07/23/35067.aspx</a><br>
<br><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/moscoweducation/archive/2006/01/02/40100.aspx" target="_blank">http://right-mind.us/blogs/moscoweducation/archive/2006/01/02/40100.aspx
</a><br><br><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2005/06/23/13329.aspx" target="_blank">http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2005/06/23/13329.aspx</a>
<br><br><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2005/06/30/15346.aspx" target="_blank">http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2005/06/30/15346.aspx</a><br>
<br><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2005/06/11/6525.aspx" target="_blank">http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2005/06/11/6525.aspx</a><br><br>
<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2005/06/28/15234.aspx" target="_blank">http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2005/06/28/15234.aspx</a><br><br><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2005/07/23/35068.aspx" target="_blank">
http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2005/07/23/35068.aspx</a><br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Tim<br><br>" 'Politics is the art of controlling your environment.' That is one of the<br>key things I learned in these years, and I learned it the hard way. Anybody
<br>who thinks that 'it doesn't matter who's President' has never been Drafted<br>and sent off to fight and die in a vicious, stupid War on the other side of<br>the World -- or been beaten and gassed by Police for trespassing on public
<br>property -- or been hounded by the IRS for purely political reasons -- or<br>locked up in the Cook County Jail with a broken nose and no phone access and<br>twelve perverts wanting to stomp your ass in the shower. That is when it
<br>matters who is President or Governor or Police Chief. That is when you will<br>wish you had voted." - Hunter S. Thompson<br><br>_________________________________________________________________<br>Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
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vision2020@moscow.com</a>>, "Donovan Arnold" <<a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>><br>Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:52:18 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Most Americans Love Wal-Mart-69%
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I sincerely hope I don't sound too much like a liberal here but I also have problems with Wal Mart. Unlike many, here in the forum, I bear no particular hate for the company but I do question many of their business policies.
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I recognize the value of having a large company in the area that will hire many people who would otherwise most likely not be able to get a job. (Please don't construe that to mean I think all Wal Mart employees are incapable of working elsewhere.) Wal Mart provides quality products at a good price and that is hard to argue with.
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I have problems with all large corporations, with their national, and international, buying power coming into an area and unfairly competing with local businesses who have sacrificed much to build up their community. This is probably irrational of me since it is the way of the global economy and will likely be the only way business can compete in the future, as big corporations swallow up more and more locals and become more involved in the niche businesses that locals have turned too. It is difficult for me to understand why so many clamor for U. N. control of the world, which will surely lead to an absolute global economy, but protest businesses like Wal Mart. Just doesn't make sense to me.
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Wal Mart, and other big corporations, force taxpayers to subsidise their employees through medical insurance, since they do not provide adequate coverage for their employees and do not pay enough to allow them to acquire their own. At the end of every business day, these corporations deposit huge sums of money, extracted from the local economy, into accounts with headquarters overseas, or far from the area, draining money from the local economy that may be better used to promote business locally.
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">There are other reasons why I like/dislike companies like Wal Mart but I am sure they have all been covered here in this forum before, by others who have given much more thought to it than I. I shop at Wal Mart, even though I have my reservations about it. Guess that makes me a hypocrite but I suppose most of those who rail on against them also shop there from time to time.
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">It is a tough question and I would probably not protest against Wal Mart in my area but still have to admit I have respect for those who do. In the end, I believe it is a loosing battle since the global economy is rapidly consuming the retail business from any local control.
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Take care..</font></div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 30, 2006 8:28 AM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> [Vision2020] Most Americans Love Wal-Mart-69%</div>
<div><br> </div>Taken from Dale Courtney's Blog: The Right Mind<br><br><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2006/June%20Dailies/walmart.htm" target="_blank">http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2006/June%20Dailies/walmart.htm
</a><br><br>Here is a fact for naysayers of Wal-Mart to chew on; "Lower and middle income Americans are more likely to have a favorable opinion of Walmart than upper income Americans." <br><br>Best,<br><br>_DJA<br>
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