[Vision2020] Our Captured GIs

Tue Jun 27 19:52:56 PDT 2006

You guessed it, Tom in the bum Thumb!   Actually, Oregon's Governor called because he thought I was from Moscow.  He wanted to make sure I wasn't bringing any more gays with me.  He said Oregon already had too many.  Sorry, I was going to ask you to go before that.

I was so disappointed in the governor, we decided to go to Canada instead... just home a few minutes ago.  It is so nice to see all the smiling faces and diverse, accepting comments to my last mailing here on the vision.  No time to read them all yet though, bags to unpack and grandkids to get settled in.

Dick S
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tom Hansen 
  To: 'rvrcowboy' ; 'Vision2020' 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:18 AM
  Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Our Captured GIs

  Gee, dick -

  This is the umpteenth posting of yours since you stated that you had to go to Oregon.   What's wrong, dick?  Oregon find out?

  http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-June/031647.html

  Tom Hansen

  Moscow, Idaho

   "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a ride!'"

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  From: rvrcowboy [mailto:rvrcowboy at clearwire.net] 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:58 AM
  To: Vision2020; Tom Hansen
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Our Captured GIs

  Great, Tom Thumb -

  I believe step #1 was clearly stated.  The first part of step #2 is still ongoing and the final step of bringing our troops home has been clearly stated as well, when the goal is met. 

  So, what is your beef?  Oh, maybe you think our President should be able to control the weather also.  Or, at least be able to force governors of states and mayors of cities to declare disaster emergencies when necessary and to evacuate their citizens instead of allowing the means of evacuation to sit and sink in the mire.  I am sure you would have prevented Katrina had you been President, just as I am sure if Bill Clinton had been at the time, things would have gone much better.

  Get a life Tom, a real one.

  Dick

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Tom Hansen 

    To: 'rvrcowboy' ; 'Vision2020' 

    Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 6:40 AM

    Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Our Captured GIs

    Simple, dick -

    Exit Strategy:

    1)  Prior to engaging in armed conflict, establish a purpose and/or goal.  (i.e. elimination of all WMD, ousting of dictatorship, etc. etc.)

    2)  Once the purpose is realized, or goal is achieved, gradually commence withdrawal of forces from occupied country.

    Simultaneously while identifying a purpose or goal (step #1), establish a procedure for troop withdrawal.

    This is an extreme "thumbnail" description of an "exit strategy".  There are a multitude of procedures within procedures within procedures within . . . to effectively emplace such a strategy.  Those procedures are the responsibility of the big wigs that earn the big bucks.

    Had there been an exit strategy in place in Iraq, I am certain that things would have been accomplished and realized alot smoother, much like Hurricane Katrina.  Oops.  Bad example.

    Seeya round town, Moscow.

    Tom Hansen

    Moscow, Idaho

     "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a ride!'"

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    From: rvrcowboy [mailto:rvrcowboy at clearwire.net] 
    Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:16 AM
    To: Vision2020; Tom Hansen
    Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Our Captured GIs

    So, tell me Tom Thumb, just what is your definition of "exit strategy"?  I am sick of hearing you libs go on and on about it but haven't, as yet, ever heard one of you define what it is.

    Bush has stated many times what the conditions need to be in Iraq before we leave.  Just because he refuses to put a hard date on our leaving does not mean there is no exit strategy, it only means we are not going to give the bad guys the huge advantage of knowing when our troops will pull out and let them induce civil war.

    Before you harp on about an exit strategy, how about letting the rest of us know what you think it should be.  I mean besides just a cut and run calamity.  Perhaps we should withdraw our troops to Okinawa, as Murtha suggests.  Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.  Perhaps we should just run away and allow Iran to induce a civil war and put Iraq under its control.  Yeah, that would be really smart wouldnn't it?

    Let's hear it little Tom Tom, what would you do at this point.  I am not interested in hearing about the past, I want to know what you would do right now.

    Dick

      ----- Original Message ----- 

      From: Tom Hansen 

      To: 'rvrcowboy' ; 'Vision2020' 

      Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:52 AM

      Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Our Captured GIs

      dick, dick, dick -

      Nick Gier NEVER criticized our troops.  His anger is aimed at the management of the war and how poorly it has been conducted, no "exit strategy" and all.

      Instead of laying back in your easy chair, how about reading something once in a while, like . . .

      "Nick Knacks"

      http://www.NickGier.com

      Update:  This morning's news is reporting that the bodies of those two soldiers have been recovered.  My thoughts and sympathies, as well as Nick Gier's (I am certain) are with those soldiers' family.

      Pro patria,

      Tom Hansen

      Moscow, Idaho

      "Patriotism is not a short and frenzied outburst of emotion but the tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime." 

      --Adlai E. Stevenson, Jr.

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      From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of rvrcowboy
      Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:02 PM
      To: Vision2020
      Subject: [Vision2020] Our Captured GIs

      I am curious as to the thoughts of people like Nick Gier regarding the two American soldiers recently abducted from the road checkpoint south of Baghdad.  While Nick is quick to criticize the mission of our troops and post every story detrimental to them and their mission here on the forum, I have heard nothing from him about our two captured American GIs.  

      Wouldn't it be great if only we could hope these two soldiers would be treated as well as those suspected terrorists at Gitmo?  If they were, we could be sure they were being sheltered and offered clean clothing and daily food, of their own religious confection no less.  We would know they were being provided with Bibles and given time to pray to their God in Heaven.  We would know they had access to showers and toilet facilities and personal toiletries. 

      The families of these soldiers would feel great relief if they only knew their sons, brothers, fathers, and loved ones were going to be facing interrogations backed up by anything as humane as sleep deprivation or solitary confinement.  Even the possibility of their loved ones having to face barking dogs, a little personal humiliation or perhaps even being stripped naked and forced to wear their underwear over their heads would be a relief compared to the thoughts of what may well happen to these two American soldiers if they are not found and freed soon.

      Yes, I am curious what people like Nick Gier think of these young American men.  Do they believe they deserve what they get?   After all, they volunteered to serve in a military commanded by the great war criminal, George Bush, himself!  Surely, they knew they would be called upon to commit war crimes of their own under such circumstances.  Doesn't that make them criminals in his mind as well?  I can only imagine people like Gier celebrating the demise of these fine young men.  Oh sure, they talk about supporting the troops but we all know that is hogwash.  It is impossible to support someone you believe is voluntarily committing war crimes and murder, even if it is under orders.  After all, they could have stayed home and cowered down, like terrified chickens in the Methodist Church in Tacoma.

      As for the rest of us, I hope we are all praying for their safe return home to their families.  I know that my entire family and I are.  How about the rest of you?

      Dick S.

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