[Vision2020] (Formally known as:Photos Tell All) Now changing thread topic to:"Now for something entirely different to make Michael happy and stick to the unpublished norms!"

[Michael]

Doug,

 

I'm not sure what help you think I was looking for.  First: no, I was not
referencing you; the young man I was referencing was very concerned about my
moral standing and spiritual strength; he questioned anyone's ability to
discuss their faith on Vision 2020 without becoming defiled.  He said that
it all was "a slew of shit."  Second: I never mentioned that I was on a
mission, and I never mentioned that I planned on anything coming to fruition
to you.  But you usually don't say anything true about me while on a public
forum, so I won't be alarmed about this. What I do recall is Dale Courtney
telling me that it was soon going to be over once Wayne and others found out
that I was a kirker; they were going to spew their venom and eat me alive.
I explained to Dale that I did not agree with him; he told me to just wait
and see.  That is about the only discussion I can recall that gets close to
the "mission" issue you raise here.  But feel free to correct my memory with
some evidence if you can.

 

Lastly, you never called me to "get my perspective," but rather to warn me
what kind of creeps I was dealing with, and you tried to give me some dirt
on a number of posters here.

 

Thanks

Michael

 

 

Mike,

 

Does this help? I would like to change topics, sort of. You made a statement
below that I thought was curious. You said, "As one kirker explained, Vision
2020 is a slew of shit and I was an idiot for even talking to the people who
post to it."

 

I was wondering if you were re-phrasing what I had privatelly talked to you
over the phone last year when I was trying to get your perspective on all of
this. I think the conversation was about Jackie Wolfe. I had mentioned that
maybe you should go easy on here because of her frail condition. You said
you were just trying to understand all of the players.

 

You also mentioned that the mission you were on to infiltrate the
"intolerista" web zone would soon come to fruition or something like that.
That's when I mentioned that Blind 2020 was similar to a septic system in
that one needs to "airate the sludge from time to time in order for the good
bactiria to break down the crap and turn it back into clean water and
fertilizer." I think those were my exact words.

 

If I got any thing wrong or you wish to discuss this as an apologetic
discussion about fertilizer and the gospel (sort of along the lines of
death, burial and resurection.) Would that fit the mentality and spiritual
condition of "the typical evangelical Christian" as you called them.

 

lemeno, Doug!

 

PS. I didn't see Keely wearing a Trinity fest badge when we cordially met
that night.

 

 

 

Rob,

For a little background: You directed your insults my direction not long

ago, but in more direct fashion. You and I were friends. I had you over 

to

my house for dinner. I employed you and we worked together a bit. We

talked about business, your life aspirations, your current work, your

history. I offered you nothing but kindness and hospitality. Then one 

day I

started a web site and I was criticizing your pastor's slander of 

another

minister-continuing an already public discussion. You jumped on without 

any

notice or private communication and began mocking me, ridiculing sincere

comments, and intentionally breaking the very rules I laid out for 

posting

to my private web site. This response here is the first time you have

treated me like a human being, and you have not initiated any private

correspondence with me throughout all this. Not only is this not 

Christian

behavior, this is not sociological normal within stable civilizations

generally speaking; i.e., the 'pagans' usually do far better than this.

It is not hard to see the Kirk edge here either, albeit in more subtle,

creative form. This is a community, public, forum; this is not a three 

way

call between three junior-high jocks. When posting, folks make sure the

content of the post is coherent-which is politeness to any reader 

trying to

figure out if there is something generally of interest to read. When

posting, folks also insure that the content of the post matches Subject

title for convenience to the general readership. Folks are also polite

enough to choose a different subject title when they decide to post on

something entirely different than the current topic of discussion. You 

and

your associates know all of this, which is why you are posting the way 

you

do, intentionally breaking all of these norms. You do so not to 

illustrate

a productive point or to encourage anyone to truth or good deeds; 

rather,

you do so to vandalize a forum that you consider a threat and a 

nuisance.

As one kirker explained, Vision 2020 is a slew of shit and I was an 

idiot

for even talking to the people who post to it. Wilson has sought to get 

it

exterminated, and refers to this forum as "moonbats" and "Purblind." 

Most

kirkers will at least call it Venom2020. I can't speak for others, but I

know that I would prefer profanity and name calling to someone 

high-jacking

the threads that I tried to generate, particularly when I know it is 

because

they have no respect for me and do not like what I am talking about. 

None of

you even experiment in offering kindness or understanding to your 

opponents,

nor do you give simple rational discourse a chance. I was of course

referring all of the kirkers engaging in this new practice.

If you think that the arguments Tom and J Ford have presented regarding 

the

pictures are unsound, feel free to point this out in a way that gives 

other

people a reason to read your posting under the thread generated by these

arguments. And again, I'm sad to see you spend your time on this list in

such a way when there is currently an apologetic discussion about 

submission

and the gospel going on. That would typically be far more interesting 

to the

typical evangelical Christian.

I hope that helps explain. Let me know if you have any further 

questions.

Michael

 

 

 

 

 

Mike

 

Who did I insult?

 

Jackie provided a link to the Trinity Fest pictures on the Trinity Fest

web-page . . .they are fun pictures, and not very controversial.

 

Rob

 

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