[Vision2020] Wilson makes Somebody furious!--Wilson killed Santa

Sat Jun 17 23:15:12 PDT 2006

Tom,

 You are answering strawman arguments and ones I never  made. I never said that I agreed that Sitler should be able to travel  on his own accord unsupervised. Others have made that argument, NOT ME.  I think they should have shock collars that go off when they approach  any child. 

 Second, I was unaware that you were trying to  make the case that Wilson should have told the public AFTER it was a  matter of public record and Sitler was no longer in the city, county,  or state--seems mute to do so at that point. I was under the impression  that people were upset because they were under the false impression  that Wilson said nothing to the effect that he knew about the case  during the investigation. 

 FYI, Wilson did discuss the issue  at a Head of Households meeting and did make sure the police were  notified upon his discovery of a potential crime. So the information  going around that Wilson was quiet about it to his congregation and to  the police is NOT true. 

 As to making a formal announcement  about the conviction and plea agreement and what other information  regarding Sitler should be released and when, that is a matter for the  police and legislature to decide and take action on, not Wilson--and I  do agree the laws right now are way to lenient. But to be angry at  Wilson, for not spending $10,000 on a media blitz campaign about Sitler  who had gone and left town already seems a bit far fetched and  unreasonable to me and again, more like people just trying to grasp for  stuff to spin and twist for an unrelated political agenda. 

  Regards,

  _DJA

Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:              v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}              st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }                    Arnold –

    A plea agreement was reached on July 7,  2005 as reflected in the Plea Agreement at:

    http://www.tomandrodna.com/CR_2005_02027/

    Sitler  had agreed to plea guilty in exchange for a lighter sentence.  It  is safe to assume that any continuing investigation would have been  moot.

    In  my opinion, if local law enforcement were interested in continuing an  investigation concerning other potential victims, one logical step that  should have been considered would be to inform the local community.

    Also, since Sitler was to be “released”  three times each week to attend counseling in Pullman and Clarkston, announcing such  information to the public only seems ethical.

    And  don’t tell me that announcing such information to the public could  cause undue harm to Sitler.  He gave up that privilege when he  plead guilty.

    It truly is that simple, Arnold.   Sitler is a convicted pedophile and he is free to travel unsupervised  from the Latah County Jail to Pullman/Clarkston three times a week.

    This information should have become public  knowledge on July 8th, 2005, the day after Sitler’s Plea  Agreement.

    Tom Hansen
    Moscow, Idaho
            "If not us, who?
  If not now, when?"

  - Unknown

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    From:  vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
  Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 3:14  PM
  To: Joe Campbell
  Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com; Ellen  Roskovich
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilson makes Somebody furious!--Wilson killed Santa

"The question is, Why didn't the congregation, and the community, find 

out sooner? Why didn't I find out about this sooner than last week?"--Joe Campbell

I will explain it you one last time, Joe. It would have interfered with the investigation and been illegal for

Wilson to do that. Is that clear, cuz I don't know how to make it any clearer? Maybe you can call the police and

ask for a much more detailed clarification as to why they don't like people messing with their investigations if the

reasons are not self-evident to you? Division 2020 has already had this conversation, sorry you missed it, Joe. 

Let's get back to other unfounded character assignations of Doug Wilson. I want to hear your response Joe, on

Wilson telling a 6 year old boy there is no Santa. 

Regards,

_DJA

  Joe Campbell  <joekc at adelphia.net> wrote:
    I think that you are missing the point, Donovan. 

  The claim is not that Wilson  is somehow responsible for the deads of Sitler. That is absurd. Sitler did the  deads, not Wilson.

  The question is, Why didn't the congregation, and the community, find  out sooner? Why didn't I find out about this sooner than last week?

  You keep describing this particular incident as part of something more general  but it alone is a bit unsettling.

  Best, Joe

  ---- Donovan Arnold wrote: 

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  Ellen,

  The police knew about the allegations and Sitler had ZERO access to  members of the congregation's children. With that being the case, Wilson  had no legal authority to gossip about a member of his congregation  before trial and would have been interfering with the case and  investigation if he had. 

  So people are simply trying to make the case, unsuccessfully, that Wilson  placed children in his congregation at risk of being exploited by  Sitler after it was discovered he was harming children. This is false,  the police will tell you it is false, and not one shred of evidence can  be presented that contradicts that fact. These are unfounded  accusations based on speculation with an intent to assassinate the  character of Douglas Wilson. If Wilson had Sitler chained in his basement  during the investigation I am sure several people would be saying the same  thing.

  Wilson did not  enable Sitler to molest children. I know several want it to be true, because  that would destroy Wilson.  But it isn't. So let us hear a new unfounded allegation already so we can show  that one is untrue like the others. 

  I heard Wilson  told a six year old boy there was no Santa--rumor, speculation, doesn't matter,  this is Division 2020. 

  Best Regards,

  _DJA

  Ellen Roskovich wrote:  Donovan. . . I don't think this is about notifying authorities. By  "other people" I think the poster is refering to the congregation of Christ Church.  At least that's how I understood it.
  Ellen

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  From: Donovan Arnold 
  To: second plank ,  vision2020 
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilson makes Somebody furious!
  Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:22:56 -0700 (PDT)

  I am afraid all the information presented here by this anonymous poster  is incorrect. Police were contacted immediately after Wilson found out about Sitler's monstrous  actions. This has already been explained several times.

  Regards,

  _DJA

  second plank wrote: This is worth posting here.  Taken from a comment at
  http://rc-sproul-jr.blogspot.com/2006/06/open-letter-to-crec-pastor-doug-wilson.html

  That 8 month gap between when Wilson  found out Sitler
  had molested children in Christchurch and when Wilson
  let other people know is what bothers me the most.
  And my fellow anonymous posters- it doesn't matter
  where Sitler was in all that time or what he was
  doing.
  Wilson was  basically relying on SITLER to tell him
  which, if any, other children he'd abused. 
  Relying on
  the word of a pediophile to protect the sheep was
  criminally negligent on Wilson's  part. He gave Sitler
  8 months of grace,whereby any small children he'd
  molested could get confused and foggy on the details
  of what happened to them. He abused children as young
  as two years of age. Eight months is a long time for
  the parents of all the two year olds in your church
  not to be told they might have been exposed to a
  molester.

  It's not his fault Sitler was a creep. It's not his
  fault that Sitler put himself in a position where he
  had access to children- that's what predators of his
  type do. It's not his fault that kids were molested.
  But it is his fault that he didn't make that
  information available immediately to his flock so that
  they could check with their children and make sure no
  harm had been done. If there are any children Sitler
  molested (or young girls that other man tampered with)
  that Wilson 
  didn't know about because he trusted
  Sitler's word, then Wilson  is responsible for the
  eight month period those children have been left alone
  with the pain and horror they experienced, with nobody
  to treat them, to help them, to reassure them because
  Wilson decided  his church did not need to know a child
  molester had been with them until the sentencing.
  It is inexcusable not to let the flock in on this
  until eight months have gone by and the ability of the
  smallest victims to recount what happened to them
  completely lost. It was inexcusable to take Sitler's
  word for it that he'd told Wilson  everything.
  Accountability alone would demand that he would check
  up on Sitler's story as best he could, and basic
  concern for the children would require that he let
  parents know asap so that they could make sure their
  children hadn't been injured.

  The parents in your church should have known within
  days of the confession, Mr. 
  Firsthand, not within days
  of the sentencing.

  And now we know that Sitler was still posting pictures
  of children from Christchurch  on his family's website
  up until the day he was sentenced- and Wilson  says he
  didn't know about that. Maybe Sitler wasn't as
  reliable as Wilson thought- and it's not Wilson paying
  for that, it's any other children he molested that he
  didn't tell Wilson  about.
  If Wilson was concerned  about that possibility, he'd
  have let his flock know 8 months sooner than he did,
  but it looks to me like the only concerns he had were
  to protect himself- maybe he just didn't want fresh
  accusations coming out against Sitler. After all,
  NSA's lawyer had the supposedly 'repentant' Sitler
  plea bargain down to pleading guilty to only count,
  even though he had confessed to others.

  And that members of his flock can defend him for
  keeping this vital information to himself for all
  those months is just 
  totally disturbing. What's WRONG
  with you sycophants?

  If my pastor told me "Eight months ago a man
  accustomed to visiting our church confessed to abusing
  some children, and he's going to be sentenced tthis
  month, so you should all know about it now," I would
  be furious.

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