Tom,<br> <br> You are answering strawman arguments and ones I never made. I never said that I agreed that Sitler should be able to travel on his own accord unsupervised. Others have made that argument, NOT ME. I think they should have shock collars that go off when they approach any child. <br> <br> Second, I was unaware that you were trying to make the case that Wilson should have told the public AFTER it was a matter of public record and Sitler was no longer in the city, county, or state--seems mute to do so at that point. I was under the impression that people were upset because they were under the false impression that Wilson said nothing to the effect that he knew about the case during the investigation. <br> <br> FYI, Wilson did discuss the issue at a Head of Households meeting and did make sure the police were notified upon his discovery of a potential crime. So the information going around that Wilson was quiet about it to his congregation and to
the police is NOT true. <br> <br> As to making a formal announcement about the conviction and plea agreement and what other information regarding Sitler should be released and when, that is a matter for the police and legislature to decide and take action on, not Wilson--and I do agree the laws right now are way to lenient. But to be angry at Wilson, for not spending $10,000 on a media blitz campaign about Sitler who had gone and left town already seems a bit far fetched and unreasonable to me and again, more like people just trying to grasp for stuff to spin and twist for an unrelated political agenda. <br> <br> Regards,<br> <br> _DJA<br> <br> <br><br><b><i>Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 11
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navy;">Arnold</span></font></st1:place></st1:City><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> –<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">A plea agreement was reached on July 7, 2005 as reflected in the Plea Agreement at:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><a
href="http://www.tomandrodna.com/CR_2005_02027/">http://www.tomandrodna.com/CR_2005_02027/</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Sitler had agreed to plea guilty in exchange for a lighter sentence. It is safe to assume that any continuing investigation would have been moot.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">In my opinion, if local law enforcement were interested in continuing an
investigation concerning other potential victims, one logical step that should have been considered would be to inform the local community.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Also, since Sitler was to be “released” three times each week to attend counseling in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Pullman</st1:place></st1:City> and Clarkston, announcing such information to the public only seems ethical.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">And don’t tell me that announcing such information to the public could cause undue harm to Sitler. He gave up that privilege when he plead guilty.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">It truly is that simple, <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Arnold</st1:place></st1:City>. Sitler is a convicted pedophile and he is free to travel unsupervised from the Latah County Jail to Pullman/Clarkston three times a week.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">This information should have become public knowledge on July 8<sup>th</sup>, 2005, the day after Sitler’s Plea Agreement.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Tom Hansen<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Moscow</span></font></st1:City><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">, <st1:State
w:st="on">Idaho</st1:State></span></font></st1:place><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div> <div> <div><font color="navy" face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">"If not us, who?<br> If not now, when?"<br> <br> - Unknown<br> </span></font><font color="navy"><span style="color: navy;"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></div> </div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <hr tabindex="-1" align="center" size="2" width="100%"> </span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Donovan Arnold<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, June 17, 2006 3:14 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Joe Campbell<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> vision2020@moscow.com; Ellen Roskovich<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] <st1:City w:st="on">Wilson</st1:City> makes Somebody furious!--<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City> killed Santa</span></font><o:p></o:p></div> </div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <pre><tt><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">"The question is, Why didn't the congregation, and the community, find </span></font></tt><br><br><tt><font
face="Courier New">out sooner? Why didn't I find out about this sooner than last week?</font></tt><tt><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;">"--Joe Campbell</span></font></tt><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br><br><br><br><tt><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;">I will explain it you one last time, Joe. It would have interfered with the investigation and been illegal for</span></font></tt><br><br><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><tt><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Wilson</span></font></tt></st1:place></st1:City><tt><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> to do that. Is that clear, cuz I don't know how to make it any clearer? Maybe you can call the police and</span></font></tt><br><br><tt><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;">ask for a much more detailed clarification as to why they don't like people messing with their investigations if
the</span></font></tt><br><br><tt><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;">reasons are not self-evident to you? Division 2020 has already had this conversation, sorry you missed it, Joe. </span></font></tt><br><br><br><br><tt><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Let's get back to other unfounded character assignations of Doug Wilson. I want to hear your response Joe, on</span></font></tt><br><br><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><tt><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Wilson</span></font></tt></st1:place></st1:City><tt><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> telling a 6 year old boy there is no Santa. </span></font></tt><br><br><br><br><br><br><tt><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Regards,</span></font></tt><br><br><br><br><tt><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;">_DJA</span></font></tt></span></font><o:p></o:p></pre> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"
size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br> <b><i><span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">Joe Campbell <joekc@adelphia.net></span></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I think that you are missing the point, Donovan. <br> <br> The claim is not that <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City> is somehow responsible for the deads of Sitler. That is absurd. Sitler did the deads, not <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City>.<br> <br> The question is, Why didn't the congregation, and the community, find out sooner? Why didn't I find out about this sooner than last week?<br> <br> You keep describing this particular incident as part of something more general but it alone is a bit unsettling.<br> <br> Best, Joe<br> <br> ---- Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 @yahoo.com="">wrote: <br>
<br> =============<br> Ellen,<br> <br> The police knew about the allegations and Sitler had ZERO access to members of the congregation's children. With that being the case, <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City> had no legal authority to gossip about a member of his congregation before trial and would have been interfering with the case and investigation if he had. <br> <br> So people are simply trying to make the case, unsuccessfully, that <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City> placed children in his congregation at risk of being exploited by Sitler after it was discovered he was harming children. This is false, the police will tell you it is false, and not one shred of evidence can be presented that contradicts that fact. These are unfounded accusations based on speculation with an intent to assassinate the character of Douglas Wilson. If <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City> had Sitler chained in his basement during the investigation I am sure several people would be saying the same thing.<br> <br> <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City> did not enable Sitler to molest children. I know several want it to be true, because that would destroy <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City>. But it isn't. So let us hear a new unfounded allegation already so we can show that one is untrue like the others. <br> <br> I heard <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City> told a six year old boy there was no Santa--rumor, speculation, doesn't matter, this is Division 2020. <br> <br> Best Regards,<br> <br> _DJA<br> <br> Ellen Roskovich <gussie443 @hotmail.com="">wrote: Donovan. . . I don't think this is about notifying authorities. By "other people" I think the poster is refering to the congregation of <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Christ</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Church</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>. At least that's how I understood it.<br> Ellen<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> ---------------------------------<br> <br> From: Donovan Arnold <br> <donovanjarnold2005 @yahoo.com="">To: second plank <secondplank @yahoo.com="">, vision2020 <br> <vision2020 @moscow.com="">Subject: Re: [Vision2020] <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City> makes Somebody furious!<br> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:22:56 -0700 (PDT)<br> <br> <br> I am afraid all the information presented here by this anonymous poster is incorrect. Police were contacted immediately after <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City> found out about Sitler's monstrous actions. This has already been explained several times.<br> <br> Regards,<br> <br> _DJA<br> <br> <br> <br> second plank <secondplank @yahoo.com="">wrote: This
is worth posting here. Taken from a comment at<br> http://rc-sproul-jr.blogspot.com/2006/06/open-letter-to-crec-pastor-doug-wilson.html<br> <br> That 8 month gap between when <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City> found out Sitler<br> had molested children in <st1:City w:st="on">Christchurch</st1:City> and when <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City><br> let other people know is what bothers me the most.<br> And my fellow anonymous posters- it doesn't matter<br> where Sitler was in all that time or what he was<br> doing.<br> <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City> was basically relying on SITLER to tell him<br> which, if any, other children he'd abused. <br> Relying on<br> the word of a pediophile to protect the sheep was<br> criminally negligent on <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City>'s part. He gave Sitler<br> 8 months of
grace,whereby any small children he'd<br> molested could get confused and foggy on the details<br> of what happened to them. He abused children as young<br> as two years of age. Eight months is a long time for<br> the parents of all the two year olds in your church<br> not to be told they might have been exposed to a<br> molester.<br> <br> It's not his fault Sitler was a creep. It's not his<br> fault that Sitler put himself in a position where he<br> had access to children- that's what predators of his<br> type do. It's not his fault that kids were molested.<br> But it is his fault that he didn't make that<br> information available immediately to his flock so that<br> they could check with their children and make sure no<br> harm had been done. If there are any children Sitler<br> molested (or young girls that other man tampered with)<br> that <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City> <br> didn't know about because he
trusted<br> Sitler's word, then <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City> is responsible for the<br> eight month period those children have been left alone<br> with the pain and horror they experienced, with nobody<br> to treat them, to help them, to reassure them because<br> <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City> decided his church did not need to know a child<br> molester had been with them until the sentencing.<br> It is inexcusable not to let the flock in on this<br> until eight months have gone by and the ability of the<br> smallest victims to recount what happened to them<br> completely lost. It was inexcusable to take Sitler's<br> word for it that he'd told <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City> everything.<br> Accountability alone would demand that he would check<br> up on Sitler's story as best he could, and basic<br> concern for the children would require
that he let<br> parents know asap so that they could make sure their<br> children hadn't been injured.<br> <br> The parents in your church should have known within<br> days of the confession, Mr. <br> Firsthand, not within days<br> of the sentencing.<br> <br> And now we know that Sitler was still posting pictures<br> of children from <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Christchurch</st1:place></st1:City> on his family's website<br> up until the day he was sentenced- and <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City> says he<br> didn't know about that. Maybe Sitler wasn't as<br> reliable as <st1:City w:st="on">Wilson</st1:City> thought- and it's not <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City> paying<br> for that, it's any other children he molested that he<br> didn't tell <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City> about.<br> If <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City> was concerned about that possibility, he'd<br> have let his flock know 8 months sooner than he did,<br> but it looks to me like the only concerns he had were<br> to protect himself- maybe he just didn't want fresh<br> accusations coming out against Sitler. After all,<br> NSA's lawyer had the supposedly 'repentant' Sitler<br> plea bargain down to pleading guilty to only count,<br> even though he had confessed to others.<br> <br> And that members of his flock can defend him for<br> keeping this vital information to himself for all<br> those months is just <br> totally disturbing. What's WRONG<br> with you sycophants?<br> <br> If my pastor told me "Eight months ago a man<br> accustomed to visiting our church confessed to abusing<br> some children, and he's going to be sentenced tthis<br> month, so you should all know about it now," I would<br> be furious.<br> <br>
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