[Vision2020] Wilson makes Somebody furious!
keely emerinemix
kjajmix1 at msn.com
Sun Jun 18 15:18:59 PDT 2006
It seems that much of the "who did he tell and when?" discussion focuses on
whether or not, in telling the Christ Church community about Sitler, he was
protecting children from future abuse. In fact, I think the significant
point is that whether or not Sitler was here, there, or on the moon, it's
critical that parents know about possible abuse immediately so they can talk
with their children.
The issue is as much about disclosing possible actions in the past as it is
about preventing them in the future.
keely
From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
To: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>, "'Joe Campbell'" <joekc at adelphia.net>
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com, "'Ellen Roskovich'" <gussie443 at hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Wilson makes Somebody furious!--Wilson killed
Santa
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 23:15:12 -0700 (PDT)
Tom,
You are answering strawman arguments and ones I never made. I never said
that I agreed that Sitler should be able to travel on his own accord
unsupervised. Others have made that argument, NOT ME. I think they should
have shock collars that go off when they approach any child.
Second, I was unaware that you were trying to make the case that Wilson
should have told the public AFTER it was a matter of public record and
Sitler was no longer in the city, county, or state--seems mute to do so at
that point. I was under the impression that people were upset because they
were under the false impression that Wilson said nothing to the effect that
he knew about the case during the investigation.
FYI, Wilson did discuss the issue at a Head of Households meeting and did
make sure the police were notified upon his discovery of a potential crime.
So the information going around that Wilson was quiet about it to his
congregation and to the police is NOT true.
As to making a formal announcement about the conviction and plea
agreement and what other information regarding Sitler should be released
and when, that is a matter for the police and legislature to decide and
take action on, not Wilson--and I do agree the laws right now are way to
lenient. But to be angry at Wilson, for not spending $10,000 on a media
blitz campaign about Sitler who had gone and left town already seems a bit
far fetched and unreasonable to me and again, more like people just trying
to grasp for stuff to spin and twist for an unrelated political agenda.
Regards,
_DJA
Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote: v\:*
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st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Arnold –
A plea agreement was reached on July 7, 2005 as reflected in the Plea
Agreement at:
http://www.tomandrodna.com/CR_2005_02027/
Sitler had agreed to plea guilty in exchange for a lighter sentence.
It is safe to assume that any continuing investigation would have been
moot.
In my opinion, if local law enforcement were interested in continuing
an investigation concerning other potential victims, one logical step that
should have been considered would be to inform the local community.
Also, since Sitler was to be “released” three times each week to
attend counseling in Pullman and Clarkston, announcing such information to
the public only seems ethical.
And don’t tell me that announcing such information to the public could
cause undue harm to Sitler. He gave up that privilege when he plead
guilty.
It truly is that simple, Arnold. Sitler is a convicted pedophile and
he is free to travel unsupervised from the Latah County Jail to
Pullman/Clarkston three times a week.
This information should have become public knowledge on July 8th,
2005, the day after Sitler’s Plea Agreement.
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
"If not us, who?
If not now, when?"
- Unknown
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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 3:14 PM
To: Joe Campbell
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com; Ellen Roskovich
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilson makes Somebody furious!--Wilson killed
Santa
"The question is, Why didn't the congregation, and the community, find
out sooner? Why didn't I find out about this sooner than last week?"--Joe
Campbell
I will explain it you one last time, Joe. It would have interfered with the
investigation and been illegal for
Wilson to do that. Is that clear, cuz I don't know how to make it any
clearer? Maybe you can call the police and
ask for a much more detailed clarification as to why they don't like people
messing with their investigations if the
reasons are not self-evident to you? Division 2020 has already had this
conversation, sorry you missed it, Joe.
Let's get back to other unfounded character assignations of Doug Wilson. I
want to hear your response Joe, on
Wilson telling a 6 year old boy there is no Santa.
Regards,
_DJA
Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net> wrote:
I think that you are missing the point, Donovan.
The claim is not that Wilson is somehow responsible for the deads of
Sitler. That is absurd. Sitler did the deads, not Wilson.
The question is, Why didn't the congregation, and the community, find
out sooner? Why didn't I find out about this sooner than last week?
You keep describing this particular incident as part of something more
general but it alone is a bit unsettling.
Best, Joe
---- Donovan Arnold wrote:
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Ellen,
The police knew about the allegations and Sitler had ZERO access to
members of the congregation's children. With that being the case, Wilson
had no legal authority to gossip about a member of his congregation before
trial and would have been interfering with the case and investigation if he
had.
So people are simply trying to make the case, unsuccessfully, that Wilson
placed children in his congregation at risk of being exploited by Sitler
after it was discovered he was harming children. This is false, the police
will tell you it is false, and not one shred of evidence can be presented
that contradicts that fact. These are unfounded accusations based on
speculation with an intent to assassinate the character of Douglas Wilson.
If Wilson had Sitler chained in his basement during the investigation I am
sure several people would be saying the same thing.
Wilson did not enable Sitler to molest children. I know several want it
to be true, because that would destroy Wilson. But it isn't. So let us
hear a new unfounded allegation already so we can show that one is untrue
like the others.
I heard Wilson told a six year old boy there was no Santa--rumor,
speculation, doesn't matter, this is Division 2020.
Best Regards,
_DJA
Ellen Roskovich wrote: Donovan. . . I don't think this is about
notifying authorities. By "other people" I think the poster is refering to
the congregation of Christ Church. At least that's how I understood it.
Ellen
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From: Donovan Arnold
To: second plank , vision2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilson makes Somebody furious!
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:22:56 -0700 (PDT)
I am afraid all the information presented here by this anonymous poster
is incorrect. Police were contacted immediately after Wilson found out about
Sitler's monstrous actions. This has already been explained several times.
Regards,
_DJA
second plank wrote: This is worth posting here. Taken from a comment at
http://rc-sproul-jr.blogspot.com/2006/06/open-letter-to-crec-pastor-doug-wilson.html
That 8 month gap between when Wilson found out Sitler
had molested children in Christchurch and when Wilson
let other people know is what bothers me the most.
And my fellow anonymous posters- it doesn't matter
where Sitler was in all that time or what he was
doing.
Wilson was basically relying on SITLER to tell him
which, if any, other children he'd abused.
Relying on
the word of a pediophile to protect the sheep was
criminally negligent on Wilson's part. He gave Sitler
8 months of grace,whereby any small children he'd
molested could get confused and foggy on the details
of what happened to them. He abused children as young
as two years of age. Eight months is a long time for
the parents of all the two year olds in your church
not to be told they might have been exposed to a
molester.
It's not his fault Sitler was a creep. It's not his
fault that Sitler put himself in a position where he
had access to children- that's what predators of his
type do. It's not his fault that kids were molested.
But it is his fault that he didn't make that
information available immediately to his flock so that
they could check with their children and make sure no
harm had been done. If there are any children Sitler
molested (or young girls that other man tampered with)
that Wilson
didn't know about because he trusted
Sitler's word, then Wilson is responsible for the
eight month period those children have been left alone
with the pain and horror they experienced, with nobody
to treat them, to help them, to reassure them because
Wilson decided his church did not need to know a child
molester had been with them until the sentencing.
It is inexcusable not to let the flock in on this
until eight months have gone by and the ability of the
smallest victims to recount what happened to them
completely lost. It was inexcusable to take Sitler's
word for it that he'd told Wilson everything.
Accountability alone would demand that he would check
up on Sitler's story as best he could, and basic
concern for the children would require that he let
parents know asap so that they could make sure their
children hadn't been injured.
The parents in your church should have known within
days of the confession, Mr.
Firsthand, not within days
of the sentencing.
And now we know that Sitler was still posting pictures
of children from Christchurch on his family's website
up until the day he was sentenced- and Wilson says he
didn't know about that. Maybe Sitler wasn't as
reliable as Wilson thought- and it's not Wilson paying
for that, it's any other children he molested that he
didn't tell Wilson about.
If Wilson was concerned about that possibility, he'd
have let his flock know 8 months sooner than he did,
but it looks to me like the only concerns he had were
to protect himself- maybe he just didn't want fresh
accusations coming out against Sitler. After all,
NSA's lawyer had the supposedly 'repentant' Sitler
plea bargain down to pleading guilty to only count,
even though he had confessed to others.
And that members of his flock can defend him for
keeping this vital information to himself for all
those months is just
totally disturbing. What's WRONG
with you sycophants?
If my pastor told me "Eight months ago a man
accustomed to visiting our church confessed to abusing
some children, and he's going to be sentenced tthis
month, so you should all know about it now," I would
be furious.
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