[Vision2020] Cult Fantasy News Flash: Roles & Submission

[Bill London]

M-
You say: "Having different roles does not logically require submission."
I agree.  However, I understood Doug Wilson to require that (since the man is the head of the household) that the wife must submit to his decisions.
BL
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael 
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  Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 8:50 AM
  Subject: [Vision2020] Cult Fantasy News Flash: Roles & Submission


  I'd prefer Heather to come back and continue this on her own, and I'm nervous saying anything about this topic now since I don't have the time to ride a long discussion about it; but I would agree with Heather here. However, there was something profound that happened to the legitimacy of "roles" 2000 years ago when a wild Jew started traveling the Roman Empire saying that there is no longer a distinction between slave/free, greek/barbarian, woman/man.  In defense of traditional values, Christians often loose sight of the bigger picture and how unique the origination of their 'religion' really was. And appeal to the ontological status of the nature of man and woman is limited for the conservative since a Pauline world is a new world and one in constant change and recreation.  But I do think that in some respects, Doug Wilson can be seen as a friend to the social liberal given what tradition and larger community he is speaking from. Wilson has fought for a rediscovery of that strong and educated American woman of the 1800s, and he has done this in the midst of a reaction to extreme feminism in Christian circles (what we might call the prairie muffin problem).

   

  "Roles" between men and women cannot be considered independently of other social "roles" however, and we were free to abandon these other roles: royalty/peasant, caste placement, racism/slavery etc. So I think this is a tricky topic.  This also doesn't get us very far in talking about "submission."  Having different roles does not logically require submission.  

   

  Michael

   

   

  Mr. London,

   

  I think our disagreement is about the fundamental nature of reality which would make any post from me hopelessly inadequate. Personally, because I embrace the world the Apostle Paul describes, I think my husband and I relate to each other in such a way that maximizes our potential. G.K. 

  Chesterton sums up my thoughts better than I can in his poem "Comparisons"

   

  If I set the sun beside the moon,

  And if I set the land beside the sea,

  And if I set the town beside the country, And if I set the man beside the woman, I suppose some fool would talk about one being better

   

  Different roles, different strengths, does not mean different values. While I can't make any promises, if any one feels so inclined I'd be happy to try and answer questions off list.

   

  Cheers, hasta la pasta, peace out, etc.

   

  Heather (now unsubscribing) Wilson

   

   



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