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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>M-</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You say: <FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3>"Having different roles does not logically require
submission."</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>I agree. However, I understood Doug Wilson to require that (since the
man is the head of the household) that the wife must submit to his
decisions.</DIV>
<DIV>BL</DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=metzler@moscow.com href="mailto:metzler@moscow.com">Michael</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 16, 2006 8:50 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] Cult Fantasy News
Flash: Roles & Submission</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I’d prefer Heather to come back and continue this on
her own, and I’m nervous saying anything about this topic now since I don’t
have the time to ride a long discussion about it; but I would agree with
Heather here. However, there was something profound that happened to the
legitimacy of “roles” 2000 years ago when a wild Jew started traveling the
<st1:place w:st="on">Roman Empire</st1:place> saying that there is no longer a
distinction between slave/free, greek/barbarian, woman/man. In defense
of traditional values, Christians often loose sight of the bigger picture and
how unique the origination of their ‘religion’ really was. And appeal to the
ontological status of the nature of man and woman is limited for the
conservative since a Pauline world is a new world and one in constant change
and recreation. But I do think that in some respects, Doug Wilson can be
seen as a friend to the social liberal given what tradition and larger
community he is speaking from. Wilson has fought for a rediscovery of that
strong and educated American woman of the 1800s, and he has done this in the
midst of a reaction to extreme feminism in Christian circles (what we might
call the prairie muffin problem).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">“Roles” between men and women cannot be considered
independently of other social “roles” however, and we were free to abandon
these other roles: royalty/peasant, caste placement, racism/slavery etc. So I
think this is a tricky topic. This also doesn’t get us very far in
talking about “submission.” Having different roles does not logically
require submission. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Michael<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Mr. London,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I think our disagreement is about the fundamental
nature of reality which would make any post from me hopelessly inadequate.
Personally, because I embrace the world the Apostle Paul describes, I think my
husband and I relate to each other in such a way that maximizes our potential.
G.K. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Chesterton sums up my thoughts better than I can in
his poem "Comparisons"<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">If I set the sun beside the
moon,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">And if I set the land beside the
sea,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">And if I set the town beside the country, And if I set
the man beside the woman, I suppose some fool would talk about one being
better<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Different roles, different strengths, does not mean
different values. While I can't make any promises, if any one feels so
inclined I'd be happy to try and answer questions off
list.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Cheers, hasta la pasta, peace out,
etc.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Heather (now unsubscribing) <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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