[Vision2020] protecting children

Thu Jun 8 11:32:32 PDT 2006

Donovan knows nothing about me, nor is he qualified to speculate about my 
motivation in asking questions of Doug Wilson to clear the air of some fog 
that seems to have lingered.  I am not at all inclined to offer a defense to 
someone whose opinion of me matters not even a little bit.

However, since Donovan continues his plaintive cry that we focus on 
prevention of child molestation rather than express outrage over molestation 
that has occurred, I'll add my two cents:

The best way to protect children from child molesters is to keep child 
molesters away from children.  Prison strikes me as a good start, but that 
didn't happen here.  Lacking that, all efforts of all adults around children 
must be focused on not isolating or protecting the offender.  Knowledge is 
second only to imprisonment in keeping kids and molesters as far apart from 
each other as possible.

When you have a group of people with children around, and you say that 
you've notified them -- promptly and specifically -- it's upsetting when 
some in the group say they weren't warned.  After all, it's one thing to not 
be notified of an upcoming church potluck.  It's another to not be told of a 
predator in your midst.  And if some didn't know, then the "best way to 
protect children" is to make sure that there is no next time, if not in the 
offense, than in any holes in the instantaneous notification plan thereof.

That's all people are asking.  Who knew what, when did they know it, who did 
they tell, and why did some still not know?

It's a little hard to think that people who are focused on protecting 
children wouldn't want to ask those questions, the asking and answering of 
which don't in any way preclude parents educating their children about the 
danger of sexual predation.

keely

From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
To: Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net>
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] shamelessness
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 08:25:11 -0700 (PDT)

Joe,

   You wrote:

  "You seem convinced that Michael's  posts are part of some "political 
agenda" but I see them otherwise. He  has nothing to gain, polically 
speaking,"

  I disagree, revenge  is a major motivator, Joe, even if it costs the 
person greatly, studies  have shown this. Most of us have someone we would 
love to get back at  but we hold ourselves back, and usually let it go. I 
think Mr. Metzler  has a huge debt with Mr. Wilson that he wishes to pay 
back. He sees the  fact that a former member of his church being a criminal 
as an  opportunity to attack Wilson and his church, as has Keely, Joan, 
Rose,  Debbie, Tommy, and few others, especially when the crime is so 
heinous.  I don't say this out of speculation, I say it as the fact that Mr. 
  Metzler has stated on line he feels betrayed by Mr. Wilson from his  past 
experiences ("knife in the back"), and even created a website  dedicated to 
hurting Wilson, called Pooh's Think.

   "But let's not dismiss his words under the banner of "political agenda." 
A similar attack is open to each of us."

   I don't think so Joe. We always have to question people's motives and  
political agenda. Someone that has dedicated a website, written  negative 
articles about someone, and states they have felt personally  betrayed by 
the person, comes forward with another statement, you have  to take what 
they say with a pound of salt. We should always be upfront  with our 
political agenda, otherwise people don't trust you. If your  political 
agenda is honest, you should not have to hide it.

   If these people's real intentions were concerns for the welfare of  
children, they would be discussing ways to prevent child molestation  and 
provide help for the victims. Instead, we are discussing the church  the 
person attended, there school, place of residence, and third  parties that 
knew the perpetrator of the crime, as though someone is  guilty of a crime 
by association, or the church, household, or school  provided information 
and support of the crime. If any one person should  be attacked for the 
crime, it is Steven Sidler.

   Best Regards,

   _DJA

Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net> wrote:  Donovan,

You  seem convinced that Michael's posts are part of some "political agenda" 
  but I see them otherwise. He has nothing to gain, polically speaking,  and 
has already lost quite a lot in speaking out as he does. You should  meet 
with him and talk with him in person and you might change your  mind about 
his motivations and character.

Michael and I share  similar concerns about our community and even hold some 
religious and  philosophical views in common. But generally our religious,  
philosophical, and political veiws are quite different. It makes it  
difficult to suggest that there is a "hidden agenda" here.

I  have genuine, substantive concerns about my family and my community,  
concerns that motivate my actions. I think Michael's actions should be  
understood in the same way.

It is fine to ignore what Michael  says, or to disagree with points that he 
makes. But let's not dismiss  his words under the banner of "political 
agenda." A similar attack is  open to each of us.

--
Joe Campbell

---- Donovan Arnold  wrote:

=============
Joe,

   I think someone using the tragic event of a child being molested as an  
excuse to further an unrelated political agenda could be seen as  unethical 
and further abuse of that child and their family,  particularly if they 
opposed that political agenda, don't you agree,  Joe?

   Best Regards,

   _DJA

Joe Campbell  wrote:  Some of us like Michael's posts. I encourage him to 
continue.
--
Joe Campbell

---- "g. crabtree"  wrote:

=============
Mr.  Metzler, please give it a rest. A sorrowful event has occurred and you  
are defiantly not making it any better. The only people who are hanging  on 
your every word are already members of your club. I am afraid that  all the 
finger pointing that you have been doing of late is only  serving to make 
you appear obsessed and deranged. Why don't you take a  month or two off and 
see if you can get over what ever slight, real or  imagined, that you think 
you have received from your former pastor.  Perhaps during that time you 
will find a more productive way to utilize  your time. Breathe in, hold it, 
release slowly, repeat.

G. Crabtree
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Michael
   To: vision2020 at moscow.com
   Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 12:18 PM
   Subject: [Vision2020] shamelessness

   Wilson Writes: "Michael, you are the emotional equivalent of a sucking 
chest wound"

   Thank you very much for your very helpful comments here Mr. Wilson.  
Instead of confessing that your entire point about the "victims" was  
refuted by my response, you just change the subject to "posting private  
emails." That's an old issue, and not one nearly so interesting as your  
current public slander against me and the person who wrote the  
announcement. So perhaps we should stick on target; after all, your  emails 
were confrontational, and you certainly knew I would be posting  them. They 
were also crucial to show that I was willing and eager to  make any 
correction to the post before it gained a large readership;  you arrogantly 
declined to help me do this, more concerned about  hurting me than 
protecting anyone. I'm getting dizzy Mr. Wilson. Just  what is your 
accusation against me? Your bringing the victims into this  just in your 
public Vision 2020 posts (unnecessarily) is despicable,  and I would have 
never dreamed of doing such a hurtful thing. You
  originally claime!
   d that my behavior was horrible and immoral because I dare post an  
announcement like I did at all; you supposedly knew this because the  
victims asked me to pull everything off my web site. But this only  revealed 
your ignorance of the nature of the victim's concerns and  their request (or 
else just further deceit); this also demonstrated  that your attack on me 
for merely posting the announcement is  ridiculous. You are making a fool of 
your self Mr. Wilson, and although  I would like you to show the world what 
kind of man you really are, I  am still committed to getting the "victims" 
off the public square. So  please stop now.

  We are in the process of gathering  our stuff and kids to go to my brother 
in law's wedding in Colorado. I  haven't even finished reading your last 
post about me yet. I will be  responding further as I am able. I wish I was 
able to respond far more  than I already have.

   Thank you

   Michael Metzler

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