[Vision2020] shamelessness

Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Thu Jun 8 08:25:11 PDT 2006


Joe,
  
  You wrote:
  
 "You seem convinced that Michael's  posts are part of some "political agenda" but I see them otherwise. He  has nothing to gain, polically speaking,"
  
 I disagree, revenge  is a major motivator, Joe, even if it costs the person greatly, studies  have shown this. Most of us have someone we would love to get back at  but we hold ourselves back, and usually let it go. I think Mr. Metzler  has a huge debt with Mr. Wilson that he wishes to pay back. He sees the  fact that a former member of his church being a criminal as an  opportunity to attack Wilson and his church, as has Keely, Joan, Rose,  Debbie, Tommy, and few others, especially when the crime is so heinous.  I don't say this out of speculation, I say it as the fact that Mr.  Metzler has stated on line he feels betrayed by Mr. Wilson from his  past experiences ("knife in the back"), and even created a website  dedicated to hurting Wilson, called Pooh's Think. 
  
  "But let's not dismiss his words under the banner of "political agenda." A similar attack is open to each of us."
  
  I don't think so Joe. We always have to question people's motives and  political agenda. Someone that has dedicated a website, written  negative articles about someone, and states they have felt personally  betrayed by the person, comes forward with another statement, you have  to take what they say with a pound of salt. We should always be upfront  with our political agenda, otherwise people don't trust you. If your  political agenda is honest, you should not have to hide it.
  
  If these people's real intentions were concerns for the welfare of  children, they would be discussing ways to prevent child molestation  and provide help for the victims. Instead, we are discussing the church  the person attended, there school, place of residence, and third  parties that knew the perpetrator of the crime, as though someone is  guilty of a crime by association, or the church, household, or school  provided information and support of the crime. If any one person should  be attacked for the crime, it is Steven Sidler. 
  
  Best Regards,
  
  _DJA
  
  
  
Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net> wrote:  Donovan,

You  seem convinced that Michael's posts are part of some "political agenda"  but I see them otherwise. He has nothing to gain, polically speaking,  and has already lost quite a lot in speaking out as he does. You should  meet with him and talk with him in person and you might change your  mind about his motivations and character.

Michael and I share  similar concerns about our community and even hold some religious and  philosophical views in common. But generally our religious,  philosophical, and political veiws are quite different. It makes it  difficult to suggest that there is a "hidden agenda" here. 

I  have genuine, substantive concerns about my family and my community,  concerns that motivate my actions. I think Michael's actions should be  understood in the same way.

It is fine to ignore what Michael  says, or to disagree with points that he makes. But let's not dismiss  his words under the banner of "political agenda." A similar attack is  open to each of us.

--
Joe Campbell

---- Donovan Arnold  wrote: 

=============
Joe,
  
  I think someone using the tragic event of a child being molested as an  excuse to further an unrelated political agenda could be seen as  unethical and further abuse of that child and their family,  particularly if they opposed that political agenda, don't you agree,  Joe?
  
  Best Regards,
  
  _DJA

Joe Campbell  wrote:  Some of us like Michael's posts. I encourage him to continue.
--
Joe Campbell

---- "g. crabtree"  wrote: 

=============
Mr.  Metzler, please give it a rest. A sorrowful event has occurred and you  are defiantly not making it any better. The only people who are hanging  on your every word are already members of your club. I am afraid that  all the finger pointing that you have been doing of late is only  serving to make you appear obsessed and deranged. Why don't you take a  month or two off and see if you can get over what ever slight, real or  imagined, that you think you have received from your former pastor.  Perhaps during that time you will find a more productive way to utilize  your time. Breathe in, hold it, release slowly, repeat. 

G. Crabtree
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael 
  To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 12:18 PM
  Subject: [Vision2020] shamelessness


  Wilson Writes: "Michael, you are the emotional equivalent of a sucking chest wound"

   

  Thank you very much for your very helpful comments here Mr. Wilson.  Instead of confessing that your entire point about the "victims" was  refuted by my response, you just change the subject to "posting private  emails." That's an old issue, and not one nearly so interesting as your  current public slander against me and the person who wrote the  announcement. So perhaps we should stick on target; after all, your  emails were confrontational, and you certainly knew I would be posting  them. They were also crucial to show that I was willing and eager to  make any correction to the post before it gained a large readership;  you arrogantly declined to help me do this, more concerned about  hurting me than protecting anyone. I'm getting dizzy Mr. Wilson. Just  what is your accusation against me? Your bringing the victims into this  just in your public Vision 2020 posts (unnecessarily) is despicable,  and I would have never dreamed of doing such a hurtful thing. You 
 originally claime!
  d that my behavior was horrible and immoral because I dare post an  announcement like I did at all; you supposedly knew this because the  victims asked me to pull everything off my web site. But this only  revealed your ignorance of the nature of the victim's concerns and  their request (or else just further deceit); this also demonstrated  that your attack on me for merely posting the announcement is  ridiculous. You are making a fool of your self Mr. Wilson, and although  I would like you to show the world what kind of man you really are, I  am still committed to getting the "victims" off the public square. So  please stop now.

   

 We are in the process of gathering  our stuff and kids to go to my brother in law's wedding in Colorado. I  haven't even finished reading your last post about me yet. I will be  responding further as I am able. I wish I was able to respond far more  than I already have.

   

  Thank you

  Michael Metzler



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