[Vision2020] shamelessness

[Joe Campbell]

What are my motivations, Gary? What is my political agenda? What are my religious and political views, for that matter? You tell me since you seem to know so much about me, even though we've never met.

And what are your motivations, Gary, for sticking up for men who keep quiet about criminal acts against children? Should I speculate in public about those? 

Each of us can make these same sweeping, dismissive claims in an effort to discredit the words of others with whom we disagree. They work no less against you than they do against me. I'm just unwilling to use such cheap shots in public discourse, so you have an advantage along these lines.

If a local Catholic priest had information about a child predator that he failed to share with local law enforcement, I would be just as critical of him. I can promise you that. I have a child that I am obligated to protect as well as information that others in my community are more concerned about keeping their own indiscretions quiet than they are about public safety. That is motivation enough in this case, I think.

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Joe Campbell

---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net> wrote: 

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As one of the club members, I would have expected nothing less. A quick 
question for you. Why when crimes are committed by people other than 
members of CC, NSA, Trinity Reformed, etc: do you not ask the same questions 
of the Catholic priest? The Methodist minister? The Mormon deacon? The only 
time the leaders of a faith community are called to question and asked to 
answer for their members is when this one group is involved? Or is it your 
contention that the only unpleasantness that occurs in our community flows 
from this source exclusively? At the risk of arousing your not 
inconsiderable, hair trigger ire, I would suggest that there is a bit more 
at work here than your noble concern for who is and is not "above and beyond 
the laws of our community."

gc
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
Cc: "Michael" <metzler at moscow.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 6:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] shamelessness


Some of us like Michael's posts. I encourage him to continue.
--
Joe Campbell

---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net> wrote:

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Mr. Metzler, please give it a rest. A sorrowful event has occurred and you 
are defiantly not making it any better. The only people who are hanging on 
your every word are already members of your club. I am afraid that all the 
finger pointing that you have been doing of late is only serving to make you 
appear obsessed and deranged. Why don't you take a month or two off and see 
if you can get over what ever slight, real or imagined, that you think you 
have received from your former pastor. Perhaps during that time you will 
find a more productive way to utilize your time. Breathe in, hold it, 
release slowly, repeat.

G. Crabtree
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael
  To: vision2020 at moscow.com
  Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 12:18 PM
  Subject: [Vision2020] shamelessness


  Wilson Writes: "Michael, you are the emotional equivalent of a sucking 
chest wound"



  Thank you very much for your very helpful comments here Mr. Wilson. 
Instead of confessing that your entire point about the "victims" was refuted 
by my response, you just change the subject to "posting private emails." 
That's an old issue, and not one nearly so interesting as your current 
public slander against me and the person who wrote the announcement.  So 
perhaps we should stick on target; after all, your emails were 
confrontational, and you certainly knew I would be posting them. They were 
also crucial to show that I was willing and eager to make any correction to 
the post before it gained a large readership; you arrogantly declined to 
help me do this, more concerned about hurting me than protecting anyone. 
I'm getting dizzy Mr. Wilson.  Just what is your accusation against me? 
Your bringing the victims into this just in your public Vision 2020 posts 
(unnecessarily) is despicable, and I would have never dreamed of doing such 
a hurtful thing.  You originally claimed that my behavior was horrible and 
immoral because I dare post an announcement like I did at all; you 
supposedly knew this because the victims asked me to pull everything off my 
web site.  But this only revealed your ignorance of the nature of the 
victim's concerns and their request (or else just further deceit); this also 
demonstrated that your attack on me for merely posting the announcement is 
ridiculous.  You are making a fool of your self Mr. Wilson, and although I 
would like you to show the world what kind of man you really are, I am still 
committed to getting the "victims" off the public square. So please stop 
now.



  We are in the process of gathering our stuff and kids to go to my brother 
in law's wedding in Colorado. I haven't even finished reading your last post 
about me yet.  I will be responding further as I am able.  I wish I was able 
to respond far more than I already have.



  Thank you

  Michael Metzler



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