[Vision2020] Property tax cut?
Paul Rumelhart
godshatter at yahoo.com
Tue Jul 25 08:29:00 PDT 2006
Isn't this thing getting a little out of hand? There are lots of
reasons someone would wait two weeks before filing a report. He
describes in the report actions that spanned over a time period,
anyway. Perhaps he got tired of coming home and checking his tires, his
windows, and his mailbox every day.
I'm going to safely assume that Doug Wilson would not make these things
up when filing an official complaint with the police. I have no reason
to assume otherwise.
I'm also going to assume that the four people listed by Doug are
innocent, because he provided no proof that they did anything. He
merely provided a list of people he personally suspected.
Why all the accusations flying about? Let's wait for actual evidence
before we start accusing people of things.
Also, I agree with DJA that putting nails in tires is dangerous and
could lead to injury or even death. If we all just keep level heads
here, nobody will get their tires spiked or be accused of something they
probably know nothing about, or be accused of filing false police reports.
Paul
J Ford wrote:
>I hate responding to this, but -
>
>The fact that Dougie did not report this until AFTER the fact, TWO WEEKS
>after they supposedly happened, and that he brought NO evidence, NO proof
>that any of this ever even happened (this has been explained before) and the
>fact that he wrote about it on his blog on 27 July as having reported it to
>the police (when in fact he did NOT) and the very huge fact that NONE of
>those people have the time, inclination or will to do any of this crap -
>THAT is how I know it never happened.
>
>If someone is doing this type of damage, (and that is a HUGE, HUGE IF!!!)
>you'd think Dougie would at LEAST submit the tires and condom for
>examination. You'd think he'd have the cops COME OUT TO HIS HOUSE TO SEE
>things as they were found. But he doesn't because IT NEVER HAPPENED and he
>has NOTHING to show.
>
>Questions: How does Dougie know it was a "fowl smelling substance" that was
>smeared on his living room window? Did he smell it? What do "fowl
>substances" smell like, anyway?
>
>What makes you believe Dougie "has all this video recorded"? And IF he did,
>why is it he has not turned THAT over to the cops? And WHY in God's name
>would all four of those people make an allegiance and "attack" Dougie's
>home? That is just such a stupid supposition and both you and Dougie know
>it. None of those named would even think of doing this kind of juvenile,
>petty, and stupid act(s).
>
>And what is THIS about: "Also, anyone on his property at the time of the
>crimes can snap a picture
>on their cell phone and send it to an email account for just 25 cents."?
>What has that got to do with anything?
>
>Filing a false police report is illegal - but then, Dougie is very used to
>doing things irregardless to the law. I just get sick of this town allowing
>him to get away with it.
>
>Merde.
>
>J :]
>
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>>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>>To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>, J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>,
>>vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Property tax cut?
>>Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:28:41 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>>
>>"Dougie, on the other hand, has NO proof, NO evidence, NO witnesses,
>>NO real reason to have named four 35-50(+) year old people as doing what
>>amounts to teen-type of pranks in a police report TWO WEEKS after he says
>>they
>>occurred and AFTER he says he reported them." --JFord
>>
>>J, How do you KNOW this for fact unless you are monitoring his
>>property 24 hours a day? I think Doug Wilson has all this video recorded.
>>You can buy a home video recording system now for less than $100.
>>Also, anyone on his property at the time of the crimes can snap a picture
>>on their cell phone and send it to an email account for just
>>25 cents. I think Wilson could afford both.
>>
>>I want the people to be caught. Anyone who vandalizes is a menace and a
>>coward, regardless
>>of who it is and who they are doing it to. I hate it when people mess with
>>my
>>stuff. If they have an issue with me, take it up with me, not my property.
>>Vandals
>>raise our taxes through law enforcement, and our insurance rates.
>>
>>Nails in a vehicle tire is also more than a teenage prank. It is very
>>DANGEROUS and could
>>seriously injury or kill somebody if a tire blows out on a highway.
>>
>>_DJA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net> wrote: Rather then take any of the
>>silliness that has been liberally ladled out
>>here in the past few postings at face value, I hauled my lard out into the
>>warm summer sunshine and down to the MPD to ask some extremely helpful and
>>patient people some rather dull questions. Here are some of the results of
>>my queries.
>>
>>First, there are five officers on duty for the day shift and the swing
>>shift. There are three officers on duty for the graveyard shift. Due to the
>>way shifts overlap there is only a four hour block where there is only
>>three
>>officers on patrol. (generally the quietest portion of any of the shifts)
>>The assertion that during the busiest shift there are only two officers
>>working is hogwash. Period.
>>
>>Second, all officers accrue vacation time at the same rate as other city
>>employees and the staffing is such that the officers who desire to do so,
>>get to take it. Nobody is not allowed to take their vacation time because
>>of
>>short staffing.
>>
>>Third, all officers work approximately a 40 hr. week. Guys on the swing and
>>graveyard shifts do sometimes rack up some overtime due to the nature of
>>their shift. Also overtime is put in for special events (games, rendezvous,
>>renaissance fair, etc.) this is widely regarded as a good thing by the
>>officers. Time off appears to be the last thing these people want.
>>
>>Fourth, response time in Moscow is lightning fast for emergency calls. In a
>>situation where harm might befall a citizen, the police drop everything and
>>respond right now. Matters of lesser urgency do take a back seat but I was
>>assured that all calls are responded to within 30 min. unless other
>>arrangements are made with the reporting party.
>>
>>Fifth, there is no reason that people shouldn't know about what's going on
>>in there neighborhood. The link that Dan C. provided gives one access to
>>the
>>police log and from that it's child's play to know exactly what's up around
>>your home. No need to wait to hear it third, fourth, or fifth hand.
>>
>>Sixth, when extra patrol is requested at any given location it means that
>>the police will drive by a little more often then they might have
>>otherwise.
>>It does not mean that they will be parked in that persons driveway keeping
>>their mailbox safe from a spent French letter. Sorry, hansen.
>>
>>Finally, the officer that I was speaking with did allow as how having a
>>couple of extra personnel for the day shift would help to keep the
>>paperwork
>>
>>
>>from piling up and create a little less of a burden for the rest of the
>
>
>>guys
>>but absolutely nothing was mentioned that led me to think that from a
>>safety
>>(ours or the officers) point of view, these folks didn't have it completely
>>under control. Now hows about a little sanity be allowed to enter into this
>>discussion, allrighty?
>>
>>G. Crabtree
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "J Ford"
>>
>>To:
>>Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 12:35 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Property tax cut?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Did you happen to look at those reports or are you just trying to make a
>>>sick point? Do you happen to know WHO made those calls in that you
>>>referred
>>>to? Was it the same person or many people? There are LOT of addresses
>>>
>>>
>>on
>>
>>
>>>that or any street. How about the fact that a LOT of time is being
>>>
>>>
>>spent
>>
>>
>>>by
>>>the cops on A street, First, Main, Third, Lilly, West Pullman, etc. So,
>>>what exactly do you think? That everyone that repeatedly calls in for
>>>those
>>>above-mentioned streets, are making false police reports? That they are
>>>abusing the system? Don't think so.
>>>
>>>Dougie, on the other hand, has NO proof, NO evidence, NO witnesses, NO
>>>real
>>>reason to have named four 35-50(+) year old people as doing what amounts
>>>to
>>>teen-type of pranks in a police report TWO WEEKS after he says they
>>>occurred
>>>and AFTER he says he reported them. There are now four citizens who
>>>
>>>
>>have
>>
>>
>>>"police records" because one sick guy decides to play wounded and make
>>>false
>>>accusations. THAT is a waste of cop-man-power and an ABUSE of the legal
>>>system. He has many, many boys that he could enlist the aide of to
>>>
>>>
>>watch
>>
>>
>>>his home....believe me, the neighbors watch it enough and they have NOT
>>>seen
>>>any of this kind of stuff happening to him.
>>>
>>>And why don't you try talking to the cops. They have two people working
>>>DAY-TIME hours, during the busiest part of the day and there are times
>>>when
>>>that is all they have during the night. Don't know where you live
>>>
>>>
>>(don't
>>
>>
>>>wanna) but there are sirens going off at all times of the day and night
>>>and
>>>the cops are going from one of end town to another all the time; and
>>>
>>>
>>they
>>
>>
>>>are trying to get to all the calls they need to in the time they need
>>>
>>>
>>to.
>>
>>
>>>Why is it that some people are so quick to increase the City personnel,
>>>but
>>>they leave the cops and fire personnel hanging? Like they aren't
>>>important
>>>enough to warrant more trained bodies? But an office needs a secretary?
>>>Please. Get your own darn coffee. But put more cops on the road,
>>>increase
>>>their pay/benefits and allow them the union.
>>>
>>>J :]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "Dan Carscallen"
>>>>To:
>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Property tax cut?
>>>>Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:58:27 -0700
>>>>
>>>>Tom says:
>>>>". . . two cops on duty at any given time in a town of 20,000 . . . And
>>>>one of them is now required to use a portion of that valuable time
>>>>providing security to 1150 North Polk Extension?"
>>>>
>>>>Just a quick glance at the pole-leece's page
>>>>(http://www.ci.moscow.id.us/police/) and their daily activity log (check
>>>>the menu on the left), it looks like the cops are spending a lot of time
>>>>around the 800 block of North Garfield. Maybe some 'higher-up" in the
>>>>Kirk lives there too? I would venture to guess that it's all kinds of
>>>>people "abusing" our police force, CC and non-CC alike.
>>>>
>>>>And I would also venture to guess that the "two cops on duty" is during
>>>>the slow hours.
>>>>
>>>>But that's just me, doing all kinds of venturing,
>>>>
>>>>DC
>>>>
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