[Vision2020] False Police Report (Was Property tax cut?)
J Ford
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Wed Jul 26 10:18:54 PDT 2006
Wrong again....
They ARE suspects - they are named and listed in the police report as such.
If they had been charged, they would then be considered "Defendants".
A "crime has been filed" in that Dougie made an official compliant, down to
his writing out a statement, and an investigation is continuing.
Try getting the facts before you speak. It helps.
J :]
>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>To: keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com>, privatejf32 at hotmail.com,
>vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Property tax cut?
>Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:39:52 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Keely,
>
> They are not suspects, no charges or crime has been filed.
>
> _DJA
>
>keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote: Huh.
>
>Saundra nailed it a couple of days ago when she asked, in response to
>Doug's
>naming four possible suspects in the alleged vandalism of his property,
>where his execution of the Biblical standard was. Granted, the "two or
>three witnesses" is, strictly speaking, to be employed when an accusation
>is
>leveled against an elder, but it's a wise principle when engaging with
>everyone else, too. For one, it's simply reasonable; two, it prevents the
>bearing of false witness, which a lot of churches take seriously.
>
>However, no matter how Doug tries to wrestle with Matthew 18, he sinned
>against Ford, Metzler, Morin and Nolan by naming them as suspects, and he
>owes God repentance and them apologies.
>
>And a note to the good pastor -- no fair "rejoicing because (you) were
>counted worthy of suffering for the Name of Jesus . . . " None of us is
>rejoicing because you have caused the Name to suffer, and you aren't being
>targeted, if you are at all, because of any courageous righteousness on
>your
>church's part. I deplore acts of vandalism and harrassment, but I assume
>no
>pastors are committing them. I also deplore acts of vindictiveness and
>haughtiness, and it saddens me to see that you've committed those here.
>
>keely
>
>
>From: "J Ford"
>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Property tax cut?
>Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:02:51 -0700
>
>I hate responding to this, but -
>
>The fact that Dougie did not report this until AFTER the fact, TWO WEEKS
>after they supposedly happened, and that he brought NO evidence, NO proof
>that any of this ever even happened (this has been explained before) and
>the
>fact that he wrote about it on his blog on 27 July as having reported it to
>the police (when in fact he did NOT) and the very huge fact that NONE of
>those people have the time, inclination or will to do any of this crap -
>THAT is how I know it never happened.
>
>If someone is doing this type of damage, (and that is a HUGE, HUGE IF!!!)
>you'd think Dougie would at LEAST submit the tires and condom for
>examination. You'd think he'd have the cops COME OUT TO HIS HOUSE TO SEE
>things as they were found. But he doesn't because IT NEVER HAPPENED and he
>has NOTHING to show.
>
>Questions: How does Dougie know it was a "fowl smelling substance" that
>was
>smeared on his living room window? Did he smell it? What do "fowl
>substances" smell like, anyway?
>
>What makes you believe Dougie "has all this video recorded"? And IF he
>did,
>why is it he has not turned THAT over to the cops? And WHY in God's name
>would all four of those people make an allegiance and "attack" Dougie's
>home? That is just such a stupid supposition and both you and Dougie know
>it. None of those named would even think of doing this kind of juvenile,
>petty, and stupid act(s).
>
>And what is THIS about: "Also, anyone on his property at the time of the
>crimes can snap a picture
>on their cell phone and send it to an email account for just 25 cents."?
>What has that got to do with anything?
>
>Filing a false police report is illegal - but then, Dougie is very used to
>doing things irregardless to the law. I just get sick of this town
>allowing
>him to get away with it.
>
>Merde.
>
>J :]
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Donovan Arnold
> >To: "g. crabtree" , J Ford
>,
> >vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Property tax cut?
> >Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:28:41 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >
> >"Dougie, on the other hand, has NO proof, NO evidence, NO witnesses,
> >NO real reason to have named four 35-50(+) year old people as doing what
> >amounts to teen-type of pranks in a police report TWO WEEKS after he
>says
> >they
> >occurred and AFTER he says he reported them." --JFord
> >
> >J, How do you KNOW this for fact unless you are monitoring his
> >property 24 hours a day? I think Doug Wilson has all this video
>recorded.
> >You can buy a home video recording system now for less than $100.
> >Also, anyone on his property at the time of the crimes can snap a
>picture
> >on their cell phone and send it to an email account for just
> >25 cents. I think Wilson could afford both.
> >
> >I want the people to be caught. Anyone who vandalizes is a menace and a
> >coward, regardless
> >of who it is and who they are doing it to. I hate it when people mess
>with
> >my
> >stuff. If they have an issue with me, take it up with me, not my
>property.
> >Vandals
> >raise our taxes through law enforcement, and our insurance rates.
> >
> >Nails in a vehicle tire is also more than a teenage prank. It is very
> >DANGEROUS and could
> >seriously injury or kill somebody if a tire blows out on a highway.
> >
> >_DJA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"g. crabtree" wrote: Rather then take any of the
> >silliness that has been liberally ladled out
> >here in the past few postings at face value, I hauled my lard out into
>the
> >warm summer sunshine and down to the MPD to ask some extremely helpful
>and
> >patient people some rather dull questions. Here are some of the results
>of
> >my queries.
> >
> >First, there are five officers on duty for the day shift and the swing
> >shift. There are three officers on duty for the graveyard shift. Due to
>the
> >way shifts overlap there is only a four hour block where there is only
> >three
> >officers on patrol. (generally the quietest portion of any of the
>shifts)
> >The assertion that during the busiest shift there are only two officers
> >working is hogwash. Period.
> >
> >Second, all officers accrue vacation time at the same rate as other city
> >employees and the staffing is such that the officers who desire to do
>so,
> >get to take it. Nobody is not allowed to take their vacation time
>because
> >of
> >short staffing.
> >
> >Third, all officers work approximately a 40 hr. week. Guys on the swing
>and
> >graveyard shifts do sometimes rack up some overtime due to the nature of
> >their shift. Also overtime is put in for special events (games,
>rendezvous,
> >renaissance fair, etc.) this is widely regarded as a good thing by the
> >officers. Time off appears to be the last thing these people want.
> >
> >Fourth, response time in Moscow is lightning fast for emergency calls.
>In
>a
> >situation where harm might befall a citizen, the police drop everything
>and
> >respond right now. Matters of lesser urgency do take a back seat but I
>was
> >assured that all calls are responded to within 30 min. unless other
> >arrangements are made with the reporting party.
> >
> >Fifth, there is no reason that people shouldn't know about what's going
>on
> >in there neighborhood. The link that Dan C. provided gives one access to
> >the
> >police log and from that it's child's play to know exactly what's up
>around
> >your home. No need to wait to hear it third, fourth, or fifth hand.
> >
> >Sixth, when extra patrol is requested at any given location it means
>that
> >the police will drive by a little more often then they might have
> >otherwise.
> >It does not mean that they will be parked in that persons driveway
>keeping
> >their mailbox safe from a spent French letter. Sorry, hansen.
> >
> >Finally, the officer that I was speaking with did allow as how having a
> >couple of extra personnel for the day shift would help to keep the
> >paperwork
> >from piling up and create a little less of a burden for the rest of the
> >guys
> >but absolutely nothing was mentioned that led me to think that from a
> >safety
> >(ours or the officers) point of view, these folks didn't have it
>completely
> >under control. Now hows about a little sanity be allowed to enter into
>this
> >discussion, allrighty?
> >
> >G. Crabtree
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "J Ford"
> >
> >To:
> >Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 12:35 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Property tax cut?
> >
> >
> > > Did you happen to look at those reports or are you just trying to
>make
>a
> > > sick point? Do you happen to know WHO made those calls in that you
> > > referred
> > > to? Was it the same person or many people? There are LOT of
>addresses
> >on
> > > that or any street. How about the fact that a LOT of time is being
> >spent
> > > by
> > > the cops on A street, First, Main, Third, Lilly, West Pullman, etc.
>So,
> > > what exactly do you think? That everyone that repeatedly calls in
>for
> > > those
> > > above-mentioned streets, are making false police reports? That they
>are
> > > abusing the system? Don't think so.
> > >
> > > Dougie, on the other hand, has NO proof, NO evidence, NO witnesses,
>NO
> > > real
> > > reason to have named four 35-50(+) year old people as doing what
>amounts
> > > to
> > > teen-type of pranks in a police report TWO WEEKS after he says they
> > > occurred
> > > and AFTER he says he reported them. There are now four citizens who
> >have
> > > "police records" because one sick guy decides to play wounded and
>make
> > > false
> > > accusations. THAT is a waste of cop-man-power and an ABUSE of the
>legal
> > > system. He has many, many boys that he could enlist the aide of to
> >watch
> > > his home....believe me, the neighbors watch it enough and they have
>NOT
> > > seen
> > > any of this kind of stuff happening to him.
> > >
> > > And why don't you try talking to the cops. They have two people
>working
> > > DAY-TIME hours, during the busiest part of the day and there are
>times
> > > when
> > > that is all they have during the night. Don't know where you live
> >(don't
> > > wanna) but there are sirens going off at all times of the day and
>night
> > > and
> > > the cops are going from one of end town to another all the time; and
> >they
> > > are trying to get to all the calls they need to in the time they need
> >to.
> > >
> > > Why is it that some people are so quick to increase the City
>personnel,
> > > but
> > > they leave the cops and fire personnel hanging? Like they aren't
> > > important
> > > enough to warrant more trained bodies? But an office needs a
>secretary?
> > > Please. Get your own darn coffee. But put more cops on the road,
> > > increase
> > > their pay/benefits and allow them the union.
> > >
> > > J :]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: "Dan Carscallen"
> > >>To:
> > >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Property tax cut?
> > >>Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:58:27 -0700
> > >>
> > >>Tom says:
> > >>". . . two cops on duty at any given time in a town of 20,000 . . .
>And
> > >>one of them is now required to use a portion of that valuable time
> > >>providing security to 1150 North Polk Extension?"
> > >>
> > >>Just a quick glance at the pole-leece's page
> > >>(http://www.ci.moscow.id.us/police/) and their daily activity log
>(check
> > >>the menu on the left), it looks like the cops are spending a lot of
>time
> > >>around the 800 block of North Garfield. Maybe some 'higher-up" in
>the
> > >>Kirk lives there too? I would venture to guess that it's all kinds
>of
> > >>people "abusing" our police force, CC and non-CC alike.
> > >>
> > >>And I would also venture to guess that the "two cops on duty" is
>during
> > >>the slow hours.
> > >>
> > >>But that's just me, doing all kinds of venturing,
> > >>
> > >>DC
> > >>
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