[Vision2020]Who's most vocal? (was Zoning Law & FreewheelingCapitalism)

[g. crabtree]

Mr. Moffett, It's not how long you have been here,but how early in you life you got here. If you moved to Moscow before you were 5 years old your an "old timer." Everyone else is a jonney come lately. Growing up in a place gives a person a certain perspective. When you have seen the big, bad Safeway store move to town and displace the various ma & pa markets that were the order of the day back then, you will have a reference point for development in Moscow.

g.crabtree
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ted Moffett 
  To: Area Man (Dan C) 
  Cc: vision2020 
  Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:39 AM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020]Who's most vocal? (was Zoning Law & FreewheelingCapitalism)



  Dan et. al.

  How long does someone need to live in Moscow or the Palouse to be considered an "old timer," in your opinion?  I guess you think 20 years is not enough?  Then is it 30, 40, 50 years?

  Do you really think the "transplants" are chasing the "old timers" out of town?  That's a strong statement.  I think some accurate facts are needed to back that up.  I don't think many "transplants" would like this view of their impact. 

  It would be interesting to attempt to survey the "transplants" to really find out if they think development in the Moscow area is too much or OK.  I know people who are new to the area who think that those who complain about the increase in traffic, etc. to be laughable, when they compare Moscow to Boston, etc. It's a relative issue, I guess.  I can compare Moscow's current traffic to 1965 when I first walked the streets of this "little" town, and I personally don't like the increase in traffic, among other changes growth is bringing. 

  I like to joke with a friend of mine in Boise that I am going to move to Boise to escape all the traffic up here!  But really I am not totally joking.  I expect traffic and big development in Boise, but I have no reference point for how Boise was 50 years ago, or not a very personal heartfelt reference point.  But I do have such a reference point for Moscow. 

  "All Things Must Pass," as the late great George Harrison sang on his double solo album of the same title.

  Ted Moffett

  On 1/9/06, Area Man (Dan C) <areaman at moscow.com> wrote: 
    Ted said:
    "The growth in population will fuel an increasing mentality that does
    not even know about or care about what is being lost, when people with 
    money move to the Palouse from much bigger uglier cities, who will think
    that the older locals who complain about too much unmanaged or ugly
    development compromising the quality of life, are so quaint."

    I have found that a lot of people who are most vocal against "unmanaged
    or ugly development compromising the quality of life" are not older
    locals, but transplants.  Yes, there are some  who are vocal that have 
    been here their entire lives, but most have not.  I'm not saying that
    unmanaged development is good, I'm just expressing my opinion about who
    is most vocal about it (or anything else, for that matter).  Part of
    that reason is that the transplants are so vocal and good at making
    changes that it is chasing the old timers out of town.

    Moving to town 20 years ago doesn't make you an old timer.  Definitely
    not an old timer like that ol' fart John Weber. 

    DC

    P.S.  I like John, it's just been a few months since the campaign, and
    he probably misses me poking fun at him.  Although, since he is a
    technophobe, he won't see this anyway.

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