[Vision2020]Who's most vocal? (was Zoning Law & FreewheelingCapitalism)

[Phil Nisbet]

Ted

You hit the ultimate Idaho problem with a hammer.

My family’s bones are buried in other parts of the state (some back before 
it even was a state) yet each town in Idaho has its own pecking order for 
what is considered an old timer.  Hence, a Rob Lemke, who was born in 
Moscow, but raised in Potlatch and moved to Boise to work for the State gets 
called an outsider by a transplant from overseas who moved here about the 
time Rob took a job in Boise a quarter century ago.

You yourself are stating that recent arrivals have a different attitude than 
you do and hark back to 1965 as a magical year.  I have no doubt you see 
yourself as an old timer, which means you categorize those with less time 
here as newbie’s.  That ought to give you a taste for the sense that those 
who have four or five generations buried here have about those who arrived 
any time in the last five decades.  Its one of the charms of our Idaho 
insularity, a pecking order that is ingrained in soil.

Phil Nisbet



>From: Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com>
>To: "Area Man (Dan C)" <areaman at moscow.com>
>CC: vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]Who's most vocal? (was Zoning Law & 
>FreewheelingCapitalism)
>Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:39:51 -0800
>
>Dan et. al.
>
>How long does someone need to live in Moscow or the Palouse to be 
>considered
>an "old timer," in your opinion?  I guess you think 20 years is not enough?
>Then is it 30, 40, 50 years?
>
>Do you really think the "transplants" are chasing the "old timers" out of
>town?  That's a strong statement.  I think some accurate facts are needed 
>to
>back that up.  I don't think many "transplants" would like this view of
>their impact.
>
>It would be interesting to attempt to survey the "transplants" to really
>find out if they think development in the Moscow area is too much or OK.  I
>know people who are new to the area who think that those who complain about
>the increase in traffic, etc. to be laughable, when they compare Moscow to
>Boston, etc. It's a relative issue, I guess.  I can compare Moscow's 
>current
>traffic to 1965 when I first walked the streets of this "little" town, and 
>I
>personally don't like the increase in traffic, among other changes growth 
>is
>bringing.
>
>I like to joke with a friend of mine in Boise that I am going to move to
>Boise to escape all the traffic up here!  But really I am not totally
>joking.  I expect traffic and big development in Boise, but I have no
>reference point for how Boise was 50 years ago, or not a very personal
>heartfelt reference point.  But I do have such a reference point for 
>Moscow.
>
>"All Things Must Pass," as the late great George Harrison sang on his 
>double
>solo album of the same title.
>
>Ted Moffett
>
>On 1/9/06, Area Man (Dan C) <areaman at moscow.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ted said:
> > "The growth in population will fuel an increasing mentality that does
> > not even know about or care about what is being lost, when people with
> > money move to the Palouse from much bigger uglier cities, who will think
> > that the older locals who complain about too much unmanaged or ugly
> > development compromising the quality of life, are so quaint."
> >
> > I have found that a lot of people who are most vocal against "unmanaged
> > or ugly development compromising the quality of life" are not older
> > locals, but transplants.  Yes, there are some  who are vocal that have
> > been here their entire lives, but most have not.  I'm not saying that
> > unmanaged development is good, I'm just expressing my opinion about who
> > is most vocal about it (or anything else, for that matter).  Part of
> > that reason is that the transplants are so vocal and good at making
> > changes that it is chasing the old timers out of town.
> >
> > Moving to town 20 years ago doesn't make you an old timer.  Definitely
> > not an old timer like that ol' fart John Weber.
> >
> > DC
> >
> > P.S.  I like John, it's just been a few months since the campaign, and
> > he probably misses me poking fun at him.  Although, since he is a
> > technophobe, he won't see this anyway.
> >
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