[Vision2020] fleecing of Moscow???
Phil Nisbet
pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com
Wed Jan 11 12:41:10 PST 2006
Jennifer
Though I concur on much of your analysis here, I must note that the 1934
Telephone Communications Act which the legislation amends is not
specifically tied to sexual situations or male female violence. The act has
in fact been used previously in civil rights cases where hate groups are
involved and also in political harassment cases.
It would also be incorrect to state that if the person harassed responds to
the harasser that a dialogue has been initiated and that the law has no
effect. It would be a heck of a note if a woman told a deviant calling her
on the phone that they were a sick SOB and that that allowed them to get
off.
The addition to the 1934 act has broad implications in places like message
boards where it is very common currently for persons unknown to launch
tirades of falsehoods against people and companies that are indeed meant to
cause harm to those persons. Absent the inclusion of the internet in the
language of the act, several states have assumed that they should protect
internet posters to a higher degree than they do people who use other forms
of communication to issue threats and slanders.
As an example, on Yahoo cyberstalking on various stockboards has seen
anonymous posters issue threats to people and to their families. If the
same threats were issued by phone or by mail, the persons who issued them
would be identified by law and the persons threatened could receive
injunctive relief. Yahoo, however, refuses requests even from law
enforcement to identify cyberstalkers and offers only to block a particular
ID on yahoo from contacting the person. Typically when this happens, the
stalker simply changes IDs and continues the harassment.
Yahoo lobbied California to assist it in keeping their clients IDs private
even when they cyber stalk and as a consequence California has what is
called an anti-slap law in place. Under that CA statute, the cyberstalker
remains protected with regards to ID and anonymous until they have been
proven guilty of a crime.
What that has allowed is a group of stock players to illegally use the
internet stockboards in a scheme called stock bashing. What they do is
gather a group of a few people and create numerous IDs so as to appear to be
a crowd. They then descend on a stock board discussing a company and post a
huge volume of false and negative information. This will often cause the
stock to sink in price. The criminals in this case short sell the stock
just before they launch their cyber stalk, push the stock price down, cover
their bets and buy some of the shares long as they stop posting nasty things
to the stock board. The stock then recovers and they sell the long position
having made money on the manipulation on both sides of the run down and the
return.
Cyber bashing stock is an illegal stock manipulation that is punishable by
SEC regulations. The trouble is, companies and legitimate shareholders can
not get the actual names of the manipulators to force the pressing of
charges. Some of the bashing operations employ rooms of people just like
the old boiler rooms and pay their staff on the basis of hits and points
lost. There are estimates that billions of dollars are lost by legitimate
shareholders, small share owners at that, to these criminals.
Frankly, a lot of bashers pulled off the stock boards when news of the
legislation first came in. Some of them are putting a toe in the water
again, banking on people figuring that it only covers harassment and
violence against woman. I think that they will find that it covers much
more.
The same goes for the anonymous hate crime stalkers for that matter.
Neo-Nazi and KKK type groups have long used the internet to send and post
hate related postings to harass people and generally intimidate their
opponents. Just because the current addition is found under the violence
against woman portions of a DOJ Appropriations Bill does not make these
cyberstalkers safe.
Phil Nisbet
>From: "Jennifer McFarland" <jmcfarland at latah.id.us>
>To: "'Donovan Arnold'" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>, "'Vision2020
>Moscow'" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] fleecing of Moscow???
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:38:09 -0800
>
>Mr. Arnold and other Visionaries,
>
>Since I'd really hate for people to misunderstand the legislation, I think
>this needs to be addressed. In order or JFord, or whomever, to be charged
>with a violation of the VAWA law, one would need to prove that the intent
>of the post was to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass. Expressing one's
>opinions (about civic or governmental issues) as part of a dialog belies
>the accusation that the intent is/was to annoy/harass/accuse/threaten.
>Dialog, by definition, requires two or more participants both performing
>some act. Harassment/annoyance/threats/accusation, etc. requires only one
>active party--the other party to the commission of the crime is either
>passive or inactive and the contact is unwanted (by the second party).
>Again, as I stated in my last post about this law, the spirit under which
>the legislation was enacted was to protect victims of domestic violence.
>Abusing the statue by lobbing it at people with whom we simply don't see
>eye-to-eye will only serve to weaken and cheapen the affect of the law when
>its use really is pertinent.
>
>--Jennifer
>
>
>
>
>PIO Jennifer L. McFarland
>Latah County Sheriff's Office
>Public Information Officer
>PO Box 8068
>Moscow, Idaho 83843
>(208) 882-2216
>Fax (208) 883-2281
>
>Truth is the summit of being; justice is the application of it to affairs.
>***Ralph Waldo Emerson
>
>
>
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>From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:05
>To: joekc at adelphia.net
>Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] fleecing of Moscow???
>
>
>Joe,
>
>I know for FACT that J Ford is Jackie Woolf, a city official told me. All
>you have to do is check the ISP number from J Ford and a known ISP from
>Jackie Woolf and see that they are the same person. You can check both from
>the V2020 archives.
>
>But you are free to believe what you want, like someone borrowed her
>computer. I do agree however, that if J Ford had to put her real name of
>Jackie Woolf on her emails she would sound more like herself and less like
>an accusatory insane lunatic.
>
>Her assaults against people on V2020, including members of Christ Church,
>and others, under the false name J Ford, is now a federal offense.
>
>Take Care,
>
>DJA
>
>
>joekc at adelphia.net wrote:
>
>Just a personal belief, Donovan, but I know Jackie Woolf and I do not think
>that J Ford is her.
>
>Joe
>
>---- Donovan Arnold wrote:
> >
> > "It is just so easy for you to point fingers at people and yet you do
>NOTHING
> > to improve conditions of ANYone, including yourself."--Jackie Woolf
> >
> > Jackie, I am sorry you view my job working with the elderly and disabled
>as not helping anyone or myself. But that is your right to feel that way.
> >
> > Perhaps I should instead just go around bending people's antennas,
>filing false complaints against people, enforcing my personal preferences
>on others, and using foul language on the Internet while hiding my
>identity.
> >
> > Take Care,
> >
> > -DJA
> >
> > PS. Oh yeah, since your email does not give your real name, and it is
>annoying and harassing others, you are now in violation of federal law,
>Jackie Woolf, even Doug Wilson does not violate federal law.
> >
> >
> > !
> >
> >
> > J Ford wrote: Prove it!
> >
> > It is just so easy for you to point fingers at people and yet you do
>NOTHING
> > to improve conditions of ANYone, including yourself. I mean YOU, not
>your
> > family, not your neighbors, not your "friends" - YOU.
> >
> > Just because you can say something doesn't mean you should.
> >
> > I for one am getting sick of your "muck-raking and war mongering" when
>you
> > have absolutely no intention of polishing the shovel much less taking
>one up
> > to help clean up the dog crap YOU are continually throwing about.
> >
> > If you have specific, provable, tangible items - I do NOT mean just your
> > "impressions" or "thoughts" or "I-believes" - to put out there, do so.
> > Otherwise SHUT UP!
> >
> > J :]
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >No, but what she fails to point out is that money
> > >collect! ed by the school district can be used
> > >for raises if they do not have to use it for new buildings
> > >and building repairs. Through passing a bond they free up
> > >money in the MSD reserve for salaries.
> > >
> > >And yes, people did lie to us about the conditions of the
> > >school in an attempt to pass the levy.
> > >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >keely emerinemix wrote: Phil,
> > >
> > >The bond failed.
> > >
> > >Dr. Donicht didn't lie.
> > >
> > >There is no fraud.
> > >
> > >Raises and other contract language are negotiated between the Board of
> > >Trustees negotiators and the MEA's negotiators.
> > >
> > >I am not a negotiator.
> > >
> > >I am proud to work with the negotiators on other board issues.
> > >
> > >Bond money can't fund raises.
> > >
> > >Operating budget can't! fund bonds.
> > >
> > >We have covered all of this before.
> > >
> > >I'm done.
> > >
> > >keely
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >From: "Shelly"
> > >To: ,
> > >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] fleecing of Moscow???
> > >Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:05:40 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
> > >
> > > Shawn,
> > >
> > >Please reread my statement. It says, in a questionable form, "did I
>hear
> > >right? Our school administrators and teachers all got better than a 4%
> > >raise?" I was asking a question. Did they? I never said the 4% elleged
> > >raise
> > >came out of the building fund.
> > >
> > >My next question for you, if your statement is factual, how did Candice
> > >Donicht promise if her Bond would pass that not one dime would go to
>the
> > >teachers in raises. And administration. But immediately after that Bond
> > >passed everybody got raises. In my book that is a falsehood.
> > >
> > >Phil Roderick
> > >
> > >
> > >-------Original Message-------
> > >
> > >From: Shawn Clabough
> > >Date: 01/09/06 18:43:13
> > >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] fleecing of Moscow???
> > >
> > >Is this aimed at the state administration, where it rightfully should
>be?
> > >Local administrators do not have the flexibility to move monies
>earmarked
> > >for salaries to building maintenance and vice versa. Also, your
>statement
> > >“Our school administrators and teachers all got better than a 4%
>raise†is
> > >not completely accurate.
> > >Shawn
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> > >On Behalf Of Shelly
> > >Sent: Monda! y, January 09, 2006 12:11 PM
> > >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >Subject: [Vision2020] fleecing of Moscow???
> > >
> > >Did I hear right? Our school administrators and teachers all got better
> > >than
> > >a 4% raise? Yet our schools continue to deteriorate? I also understand
> > >there
> > >is something like 15 million dollars in trust. Wait, did I use the
>right
> > >word, trust???????? Is this BEFORE or AFTER the raises? Why does this
>keep
> > >happening with the same administration?
> > >
> > >Phil Roderick
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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