[Vision2020] Spying on Americans Can't Be Justified (ByMollyIvins)

[Pat Kraut]

So, you really do not know that Bush would not be the first president to do
this nor the last probably?? I am amazed by what you do not know...read any
war book it has been going on for a long time. As I said...I would have been
very disappointed if it hadn't been ordered!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:35 PM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Spying on Americans Can't Be Justified
(ByMollyIvins)


The Fourth Amendment is now sadly tattered and torn, its protections ripped
away by the courts, more thong than toga, but even in its current state of
disrepair it should protect our goodies from the President's illegal spying.

Did he do it because he believes the Executive is above the law?  Did he do
it because even though the FISA courts usually - almost always - grant the
warrants, they weren't going to be able to get the warrants for fishing
expeditions?  Did he do it because he knows that no matter what he does, Pat
will defend him?  Does he know?

Sunil


>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>To: "'Pat Kraut'" <pkraut at moscow.com>, "'vision2020'"
><vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Spying on Americans Can't Be Justified
>(ByMollyIvins)
>Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:21:58 -0800
>
>Hint for Ms. Kraut:
>
>
>
>Don't wait for the movie.  Read the book.  It is entitled "The Constitution
>of the United States of America".
>
>
>
>There is a short preview:
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>
>
>Amendment IV
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>
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>"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and
>effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated,
>and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or
>affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the
>persons or things to be seized."
>
>
>
>You will notice, Ms. Kraut, that ABOSOLUTELY NOWHERE in the 4th Amendment
>do
>you read the words "Unless George Bush says differently".
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>
>"Patriotism is not a short and frenzied outburst of emotion but the
>tranquil
>and steady dedication of a lifetime."
>
>--Adlai E. Stevenson, Jr.
>
>   _____
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>From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>On Behalf Of Pat Kraut
>Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 5:04 PM
>To: vision2020
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Spying on Americans Can't Be Justified (By
>MollyIvins)
>
>
>
>Bush cannot trust the people who are supposed to be keeping his warrants
>secret. Someone at NSA is a very dishonest person and has no sense of
>morals. So, he in order to keep us safe must do it without them or do you
>not remember 9/11. It makes a serious difference to our safety. Molly Ivins
>has made her name slamming Bush and I would expect the world to stop
>spinning if she had anything good to say about him. She is unbelievable.
>


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