[Vision2020] Spying on Americans Can't Be Justified (ByMollyIvins)

[Sunil Ramalingam]

I'm always grateful to have Pat plumb the depths of my ignorance.  You're 
amazed at what I don't know?  Hey, while you're there, can you check and see 
if I know why you think we invaded Iraq?  You're right, I don't know; you 
going to tell us now?  Why not, waiting for his latest rationale so you can 
be current?  Don't be amazed that I don't know this, just go ahead and tell 
me just this once.

But seriously Pat, I don't care who else has illegally spied on us before; 
I'm fine with impeaching them for it, if we catch them while they're in 
office.  I think he didn't get warrants because they were going after people 
for whom they would not have been issued warrants by the FISA courts.  You 
don't care because in your eyes he's never done anything wrong.  Torture's 
okay, spying is okay, invading a country based on lies so we can set up 
military bases and control their oil, that's okay too.  Running up this 
deficit for this ill-advised war, that's okay.

I'm amazed by what you think you know.

Sunil


>From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Spying on Americans Can't Be Justified 
>(ByMollyIvins)
>Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:59:49 -0800
>
>So, you really do not know that Bush would not be the first president to do
>this nor the last probably?? I am amazed by what you do not know...read any
>war book it has been going on for a long time. As I said...I would have 
>been
>very disappointed if it hadn't been ordered!
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:35 PM
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Spying on Americans Can't Be Justified
>(ByMollyIvins)
>
>
>The Fourth Amendment is now sadly tattered and torn, its protections ripped
>away by the courts, more thong than toga, but even in its current state of
>disrepair it should protect our goodies from the President's illegal 
>spying.
>
>Did he do it because he believes the Executive is above the law?  Did he do
>it because even though the FISA courts usually - almost always - grant the
>warrants, they weren't going to be able to get the warrants for fishing
>expeditions?  Did he do it because he knows that no matter what he does, 
>Pat
>will defend him?  Does he know?
>
>Sunil
>
>
> >From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> >To: "'Pat Kraut'" <pkraut at moscow.com>, "'vision2020'"
> ><vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Spying on Americans Can't Be Justified
> >(ByMollyIvins)
> >Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:21:58 -0800
> >
> >Hint for Ms. Kraut:
> >
> >
> >
> >Don't wait for the movie.  Read the book.  It is entitled "The 
>Constitution
> >of the United States of America".
> >
> >
> >
> >There is a short preview:
> >
> >
> >
> >Amendment IV
> >
> >
> >
> >"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, 
>and
> >effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be 
>violated,
> >and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath 
>or
> >affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and 
>the
> >persons or things to be seized."
> >
> >
> >
> >You will notice, Ms. Kraut, that ABOSOLUTELY NOWHERE in the 4th Amendment
> >do
> >you read the words "Unless George Bush says differently".
> >
> >
> >
> >"Patriotism is not a short and frenzied outburst of emotion but the
> >tranquil
> >and steady dedication of a lifetime."
> >
> >--Adlai E. Stevenson, Jr.
> >
> >   _____
> >
> >From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com 
>[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> >On Behalf Of Pat Kraut
> >Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 5:04 PM
> >To: vision2020
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Spying on Americans Can't Be Justified (By
> >MollyIvins)
> >
> >
> >
> >Bush cannot trust the people who are supposed to be keeping his warrants
> >secret. Someone at NSA is a very dishonest person and has no sense of
> >morals. So, he in order to keep us safe must do it without them or do you
> >not remember 9/11. It makes a serious difference to our safety. Molly 
>Ivins
> >has made her name slamming Bush and I would expect the world to stop
> >spinning if she had anything good to say about him. She is unbelievable.
> >
>
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