[Vision2020] 02-25-06 LA Times: Trust the truth

[Phil Nisbet]

Chas

The raving Neo-Nazi grwod are already stoked, so jailing Irving does no 
additional harm.  They would skin you or I in a heart beat.

Irving definately knew.  Example, he suggested that no Zyklon B was ever 
used at Auschwitz, though we have the direct testimony of SS people that 
they did indeed use Zyklon B in the gas chambers.  He was then provided with 
chemical analysis of the concrete from the ceiling of the chambers that 
showed cyanide build up and still made the statement that no people were 
ever gassed at Auschwitz.

YOu ask who this sort of thing hurts?  I did mention the people who survived 
and for that matter the kin of the survivors.  How much do you think that it 
hurts for a person who survived the death camps to be called a liar and told 
that the slaughter of their families was a fiction?  How much do you think 
it hurts somebdoy like Joan, who never had the joy of her father's side of 
her family, to have a person claim that they probably just moved someplace 
else?

Irving was saying that the Holocaust did not exist and that it was all a 
Jewish Plot.  He sold tens of thousands of copies of his books to Neo-Nazis 
and to Arab governments.  He wrote this weacked out history of his to sell 
books.  He also got paid to speak at various functions, with pretty nice 
speakers fees attached to those engagements.

Thats why I suggested, his actions were money based, had called others who 
were actually there liars by claiming that what they physically saw with 
their own eyes a plot and that it had caused emotional pain and suffering to 
victims and their families.  Even at his trail, when he finally faced the 
potential that he would have to do time, Iriving tried to slither out of it 
by finally acknowledging that he was 'wrong' and that there had been a 
Holocaust.  That pretty well tells you he knew all along that he was lying, 
just spreading the BS for the money he made on his books and speeches.  That 
takes the idea that he was a deranged asshole back to him simply being a 
greedy asshole.

Phil Nisbet


>From: Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com>
>To: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 02-25-06 LA Times: Trust the truth
>Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:19:50 -0800
>
>On 2/25/06, Phil Nisbet <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Slander and liable are not free speech.
>
>Slander, as I understand it, is making a false statement that injures
>someone's reputation.  Whose reputation did Irving damage other than
>his own?
>
> >  Knowingly making false statements with the intent to mislead is also 
>chargeable.
>
>What if Irving genuinely believed what he claimed?
>
> > Irving knew that his statements were false.  He used his statements to 
>sell
> > a product.  The product he sold caused material harm to victims of the
> > crimes he claimed were lying about their experiances.   His product had 
>and
> > has serious potential to cause additional harm.
>
>I believe that Irving is a nutter, but I don't know, inarguably, that
>he made his claims purely as a means of profiteering.  There are
>sincere UFOnauts and Big Foot aficionados and even poor deluded souls
>who believe they have been anally intruded by sinister ET's, so any
>belief, no mater how ludicrous, is probably held by someone.  How,
>exactly, did his victims suffered material harm?
>
> > I am not sure that this makes him a martyr to anybody who is not already 
>a raving Nazi
> > lying sack of crap anyway.
>
>You have made my point.  It is precisely the "raving Nazi lying
>sack[s] of crap" whom we should fear.  The Austrians have merely
>stoked the bonfires of these madmen.  Is that really advisable?

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