[Vision2020] Port sale

Sat Feb 25 13:21:09 PST 2006

Phil,

Thank you for the information and I am looking forward to your exhibition.

One question. When did Jerusalem come under Israels' control? Was it in 1947 
or 1967?

James

>From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>To: chapandmaize at hotmail.com
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Port sale
>Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:40:53 -0800
>
>James
>
>It’s often assumed that a Jewish presence did not exist n the ME prior to 
>the establishment of Israel or earlier prior to the beginning of Zionism 
>under Hertzl.  I have an Exhibition coming to Moscow and opening on 27 
>April on the History of the Iraqi Jewish community and its 2500 year long 
>history that I hope will enlighten people on some of the history of the 
>region.
>
>Jews were as oppressed under Islamic rule as they were under European 
>regimes.  They were not allowed a serious voice in government, denied 
>access to certain professions, charged extra taxes, denied equal protection 
>under the law and subject to the same sorts of pogroms that happened in 
>Christian countries.
>
>In the 1930's, when Zionism was through legal immigration and land 
>purchase, Jews were set upon and riots in support of National Socialism 
>were common.  Hebron, now part of the West Bank, had been a continuously 
>Jewish inhabited community of in excess of 3000 years, yet in 1929 the 800 
>person community was wiped out by its neighbors in a fury of blood letting 
>and ethnic cleansing.  The Palestinian, Iraqi and Syrian Communities sided 
>with Hitler during WW II.
>
>Baghdad was once 25% Jewish, with hundreds of thousands of Jews making 
>their homes there.  Today, the total Jewish Community of Iraq is 100 
>people.  Yemen once had over a hundred thousand Yemeni Jews and the Jewish 
>population there is now Zero.  The Syrian town of Aleppo had a Jewish 
>Community with a history 3000 years old, yet Arabs burned down the Great 
>Synagogue there in 1947 and passed laws making Jewish ownership of property 
>illegal while at the same time killing Jews yet refusing to let them leave 
>Syria legally.
>
>The Jewish population of Iran was 100,000 prior to 1979 and the Islamic 
>Revolution.  The Jewish Population of Iran today is less than 10,000, as 
>Jews were denied basic human and civil rights under the Islamic laws.  In 
>1994, the Islamic Government published "The Protocols of the Elders of 
>Zion" as a work of history, rather than as the fraud that Tsarist 
>propaganda piece was and of course now the Government there is planning on 
>a conference for Holocaust Denial.  They, like the Syrians, will not allow 
>Jews to legally leave Iran, regardless of their official persecution of 
>Jews who do stay.
>
>Just as Germans did in the 1930's, most Islamics will tell you that they 
>have nothing against Jews personally, while screaming about a world Zionist 
>conspiracy in the very next breath.  The Jews in their own countries were 
>driven out, killed, robbed and tortured, but somehow they can pass this off 
>as a simple reaction to all the 'bad' things done in Israel, even in cases 
>where the attacks on Jews happened prior to the creation of a Jewish State.
>
>It should be noted that the bulk of Israel's population today is composed 
>of Jews whose families come previously from other Middle Eastern Countries. 
>  Iran's President says in his statements, which are actually just as 
>common among Sunni's as well, that the 'Jews' should go back to Europe and 
>leave Islamic lands like Palestine.  How about all of the Jews who are from 
>Arab lands?  Do any of those Arab and Islamic governments intend to ever 
>compensate them for the theft of lands and businesses, for the deaths and 
>the tortures and lose of homes and property that were inflicted on them?  
>They are concerned about Palestinian rights to land, yet refuse to 
>acknowledge any right of Jews to property in the Islamic world that was 
>held for longer than any Arab held lands in Israel.
>
>I do think that some sort of solution that has a Palestinian state in it is 
>the only solution, however, Jerusalem is the Capital of Israel and must 
>stay part of Israel.  If I declared that Mecca was a holy site for Jews and 
>therefore should be declared an International City, Saudi Arabia would 
>rightly tell me to take a hike.  If Eskimos declared that Rome was sacred 
>to them, I seriously doubt that the Vatican or the Italian government will 
>agree to turn Rome over to UN control.  Turkey is not making Istanbul an 
>International City to please the Greek Orthodox, so why exactly should 
>Israel give up its capital because it’s the third most holy site for 
>Moslems?
>
>Phil Nisbet
>
>
>
>>From: "James Reynolds" <chapandmaize at hotmail.com>
>>To: pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com
>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Port sale
>>Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:31:09 -0800
>>
>>Phil,
>>
>>I am sorry for the capitalization of the. It was merely a reflection of my 
>>inability to type well. I am a two finger hunt-and-peck typist.
>>
>>My stance on Israel is not very enlightened. I don't know the history 
>>except sketchy details. In my somewhat uninformed view I believe the Jews 
>>deserved (and still do) to be looked after and assisted by the world body 
>>after WWII due to not only the atrocities of that war but also because of 
>>the persecution the religion suffered through a long period of history 
>>preceding the war.
>>
>>I do however also appreciate the fact that other people were greatly 
>>put-upon when the State of Israel was created. People did loose their 
>>homes to give the Jews a place of their own. I have nothing but my 
>>imagination to go on here but I feel that Israel was set down in an area 
>>that didn't appreciate it from the beginning.
>>
>>I think that a two State solution with Jerusalem shared is the only answer 
>>that has any chance of making Israel a comfortable place to live. It would 
>>probably still be generations before the region would be decent even after 
>>a two State resolution because there has been so much hatred built up 
>>between the factions and both parties seem able to hold a grudge for 
>>thousands of years.
>>
>>My attitude toward current events in the region is that the sides detest 
>>each other and it isn't pretty. Back and forth they kill each other and 
>>for what? For such ancient civilizations, to me they both seem to be 
>>immature and have little use for critical thinking or thoughtful 
>>deliberation. In fact both sides act like GW.
>>
>>James
>>
>>
>>>From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>>>To: chapandmaize at hotmail.com
>>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Port sale
>>>Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:51:59 -0800
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>The first paragraph of this particular posting of yours raised questions 
>>>in my mind.
>>>
>>>You capitalize The.  Does this signify something?  What is your your 
>>>stance on the existance of Israel?
>>>
>>>Phil Nisbet
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "James Reynolds" <chapandmaize at hotmail.com>
>>>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>Subject: [Vision2020] Port sale
>>>>Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:18:14 -0800
>>>>
>>>>Patience and synchronous attacks has been the tactical mainstay of 
>>>>Muslim extremist's battle against those who support The existence of a 
>>>>Jewish State in the Mid-East.
>>>>
>>>>With this fact, I predict FEMA'S next failure:
>>>>
>>>>Six Ports + six bombs + a future date = FEMA looking like a first grader 
>>>>with its pants full.
>>>>
>>>>James Reynolds
>>>>
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