[Vision2020] Port sale

Sat Feb 25 16:02:14 PST 2006

James

The Jewish Quarter of the Old City of Jerusalem was under Jewish Control 
from 1200 BCE until 1948 CE.  Prior to the Brits pulling out on the Mandate 
the Palestinian population entered the Jewish Quarter and slaughtered the 
old Hassidic Jews who lived there, though not one of them was armed.  They 
rounded up the bearded and caftan wearing folks and placed them in houses of 
worship that they then burned down around their ears.  The Arabs were lead 
in their actions on this by Arab Legion commanders who had previously served 
in Hitler's Waffen SS.

After 1949, Jordan controlled the Old City and East Jerusalem.  They lost 
that control in 1967.  It might be pointed out that Jordan had the ability 
from 1949-1967 to set up a Palestinian state on the West Bank, since that 
was actually part of the UN partition plan.

West Jerusalem has long been the modern Jewish place of settlement, dating 
back to Ottoman control.  Israeli suggestions for creation of a second state 
allow the Arab rich East portion of Jerusalem to be part of the Palestinian 
state.  What they have not allowed and the only part of the Occupied 
Territories that have been annexed is the Old City.  Unlike the actions of 
the Arabs who decided to make Old Jerusalem Juden Rein, they have allowed 
continued occupation for Arabs in the Old City and allowed the Arabs control 
of the Dome of the Rock.

The Palestinians have never controlled or had Jerusalem as a Capital.  It 
went from Turkish administration to British administration to Jordanian 
administration to Israeli administration.  They will still have East 
Jerusalem and access to their shrines in the old city.  What they will not 
have is the right to "drive the Jews into the Sea" or to deny Jewish access 
to the Western Wall.

Phil Nisbet

>From: "James Reynolds" <chapandmaize at hotmail.com>
>To: pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Port sale
>Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:21:09 -0800
>
>Phil,
>
>Thank you for the information and I am looking forward to your exhibition.
>
>One question. When did Jerusalem come under Israels' control? Was it in 
>1947 or 1967?
>
>James
>
>
>>From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>>To: chapandmaize at hotmail.com
>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Port sale
>>Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:40:53 -0800
>>
>>James
>>
>>It’s often assumed that a Jewish presence did not exist n the ME prior to 
>>the establishment of Israel or earlier prior to the beginning of Zionism 
>>under Hertzl.  I have an Exhibition coming to Moscow and opening on 27 
>>April on the History of the Iraqi Jewish community and its 2500 year long 
>>history that I hope will enlighten people on some of the history of the 
>>region.
>>
>>Jews were as oppressed under Islamic rule as they were under European 
>>regimes.  They were not allowed a serious voice in government, denied 
>>access to certain professions, charged extra taxes, denied equal 
>>protection under the law and subject to the same sorts of pogroms that 
>>happened in Christian countries.
>>
>>In the 1930's, when Zionism was through legal immigration and land 
>>purchase, Jews were set upon and riots in support of National Socialism 
>>were common.  Hebron, now part of the West Bank, had been a continuously 
>>Jewish inhabited community of in excess of 3000 years, yet in 1929 the 800 
>>person community was wiped out by its neighbors in a fury of blood letting 
>>and ethnic cleansing.  The Palestinian, Iraqi and Syrian Communities sided 
>>with Hitler during WW II.
>>
>>Baghdad was once 25% Jewish, with hundreds of thousands of Jews making 
>>their homes there.  Today, the total Jewish Community of Iraq is 100 
>>people.  Yemen once had over a hundred thousand Yemeni Jews and the Jewish 
>>population there is now Zero.  The Syrian town of Aleppo had a Jewish 
>>Community with a history 3000 years old, yet Arabs burned down the Great 
>>Synagogue there in 1947 and passed laws making Jewish ownership of 
>>property illegal while at the same time killing Jews yet refusing to let 
>>them leave Syria legally.
>>
>>The Jewish population of Iran was 100,000 prior to 1979 and the Islamic 
>>Revolution.  The Jewish Population of Iran today is less than 10,000, as 
>>Jews were denied basic human and civil rights under the Islamic laws.  In 
>>1994, the Islamic Government published "The Protocols of the Elders of 
>>Zion" as a work of history, rather than as the fraud that Tsarist 
>>propaganda piece was and of course now the Government there is planning on 
>>a conference for Holocaust Denial.  They, like the Syrians, will not allow 
>>Jews to legally leave Iran, regardless of their official persecution of 
>>Jews who do stay.
>>
>>Just as Germans did in the 1930's, most Islamics will tell you that they 
>>have nothing against Jews personally, while screaming about a world 
>>Zionist conspiracy in the very next breath.  The Jews in their own 
>>countries were driven out, killed, robbed and tortured, but somehow they 
>>can pass this off as a simple reaction to all the 'bad' things done in 
>>Israel, even in cases where the attacks on Jews happened prior to the 
>>creation of a Jewish State.
>>
>>It should be noted that the bulk of Israel's population today is composed 
>>of Jews whose families come previously from other Middle Eastern 
>>Countries.  Iran's President says in his statements, which are actually 
>>just as common among Sunni's as well, that the 'Jews' should go back to 
>>Europe and leave Islamic lands like Palestine.  How about all of the Jews 
>>who are from Arab lands?  Do any of those Arab and Islamic governments 
>>intend to ever compensate them for the theft of lands and businesses, for 
>>the deaths and the tortures and lose of homes and property that were 
>>inflicted on them?  They are concerned about Palestinian rights to land, 
>>yet refuse to acknowledge any right of Jews to property in the Islamic 
>>world that was held for longer than any Arab held lands in Israel.
>>
>>I do think that some sort of solution that has a Palestinian state in it 
>>is the only solution, however, Jerusalem is the Capital of Israel and must 
>>stay part of Israel.  If I declared that Mecca was a holy site for Jews 
>>and therefore should be declared an International City, Saudi Arabia would 
>>rightly tell me to take a hike.  If Eskimos declared that Rome was sacred 
>>to them, I seriously doubt that the Vatican or the Italian government will 
>>agree to turn Rome over to UN control.  Turkey is not making Istanbul an 
>>International City to please the Greek Orthodox, so why exactly should 
>>Israel give up its capital because it’s the third most holy site for 
>>Moslems?
>>
>>Phil Nisbet
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: "James Reynolds" <chapandmaize at hotmail.com>
>>>To: pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com
>>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Port sale
>>>Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:31:09 -0800
>>>
>>>Phil,
>>>
>>>I am sorry for the capitalization of the. It was merely a reflection of 
>>>my inability to type well. I am a two finger hunt-and-peck typist.
>>>
>>>My stance on Israel is not very enlightened. I don't know the history 
>>>except sketchy details. In my somewhat uninformed view I believe the Jews 
>>>deserved (and still do) to be looked after and assisted by the world body 
>>>after WWII due to not only the atrocities of that war but also because of 
>>>the persecution the religion suffered through a long period of history 
>>>preceding the war.
>>>
>>>I do however also appreciate the fact that other people were greatly 
>>>put-upon when the State of Israel was created. People did loose their 
>>>homes to give the Jews a place of their own. I have nothing but my 
>>>imagination to go on here but I feel that Israel was set down in an area 
>>>that didn't appreciate it from the beginning.
>>>
>>>I think that a two State solution with Jerusalem shared is the only 
>>>answer that has any chance of making Israel a comfortable place to live. 
>>>It would probably still be generations before the region would be decent 
>>>even after a two State resolution because there has been so much hatred 
>>>built up between the factions and both parties seem able to hold a grudge 
>>>for thousands of years.
>>>
>>>My attitude toward current events in the region is that the sides detest 
>>>each other and it isn't pretty. Back and forth they kill each other and 
>>>for what? For such ancient civilizations, to me they both seem to be 
>>>immature and have little use for critical thinking or thoughtful 
>>>deliberation. In fact both sides act like GW.
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>>>>To: chapandmaize at hotmail.com
>>>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Port sale
>>>>Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:51:59 -0800
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>The first paragraph of this particular posting of yours raised questions 
>>>>in my mind.
>>>>
>>>>You capitalize The.  Does this signify something?  What is your your 
>>>>stance on the existance of Israel?
>>>>
>>>>Phil Nisbet
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: "James Reynolds" <chapandmaize at hotmail.com>
>>>>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>>Subject: [Vision2020] Port sale
>>>>>Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:18:14 -0800
>>>>>
>>>>>Patience and synchronous attacks has been the tactical mainstay of 
>>>>>Muslim extremist's battle against those who support The existence of a 
>>>>>Jewish State in the Mid-East.
>>>>>
>>>>>With this fact, I predict FEMA'S next failure:
>>>>>
>>>>>Six Ports + six bombs + a future date = FEMA looking like a first 
>>>>>grader with its pants full.
>>>>>
>>>>>James Reynolds
>>>>>
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