[Vision2020] The Trouble With Doug

Pat Kraut pkraut at moscow.com
Tue Feb 21 09:38:20 PST 2006 

If he wasn't Doug Wilson you would all find a way to keep a building
downtown occupied and taken care of not derelict...it is personal. Whether
it is his teaching or other things he  has said some of you just don't like
him!

If we do discover a complete theory..of everything...we shall all,
philosophers, scientists and just ordinary people,
be able to take part in the discussion of why it is that we and the universe
exist if we find the answer to that,
it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason...for then we would know
the mind of God.
Stephen Hawking
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Trouble With Doug


Ok, Pat and others, let's list the reasons (again!) why Doug Wilson and his
bunch should be under the microscope:

Tax evasion - WE pick up the bill for those, such as CC, Logos, Atlas, NSA,
Doug and any other Wilsonista that refuses to pay their fair share.  I
realize as non-property owners such as yourselves, this means very little to
you.  But, in the long run it means higher sales tax, higher retail property
tax,
higher gas tax, etc for EVERYone in the state.  Hey, they gotta make up the
difference somehow.  Try looking at the legislative activity for this year
and see the conflict going on there about this very issue.

Illegal activities - such as the gambling house run out of Roy Atwood's
home, the boarding homes run out of not only the homes of the followers but
Doug, Roy, Dale, and other "big-wigs" in the organizaton.  They don't pay
ANY tax on those monies which range from $300-375/NSA kid in their home with
an AVERAGE of 3kids/home.  I know of one in particular that has 7 NSA kids
living in it.

The promotion to lie to the authorities, including the IRS - check out this
sight again:  http://dougsplotch.com/blackjack.htm.  Doug OPENLY councils a
follower to break the law and LIE to the IRS about doing it!

The open contempt and character assissignation of those whom have left - all
you gotta do is check out poohsthink.com and
http://patrickpoole.blogspot.com to see this going on.

Open denial and blaming of others - Doug is very adept at putting the blame
for HIS actions onto others:
http://www.dougwils.com/index.asp?Action=Anchor&CategoryID=1&BlogID=1998&Data=3003#posts

What bewilders me is his ability to get people to excuse his excusing by
claiming HIS claim of being an apostle and now a "professor"  (when did he
get his PhD? and from where in what?)  But the fact that not ONE of the
elders whose feet Doug laid this botched letter at, has had the manhood to
stand up and say "Hey, wait a minute - that was YOU that did that."  Not
ONE!  Guess the thought of loosing all those NSA student monies is more than
they are willing to risk.

WalMart's Super Store - Out of the blue, CC/Doug is claimiing that the new
super store that WalMart wants in here is a GREAT idea...yeah, I would
promote a business that personaly offers gains to an organization that I am
running too.  But to do it on the premise that "it'll help the poor"?  Get
real!  I am poor and the only benefit I see happening is more NSA students
will be able to get jobs before anyone else.  (This has NOTHING to do with
the WalMart's manager - he is not the problem.  His managers of certain
departments, however, are.)

Buying of downtown - CC/Doug is buying any and all buildings they can
downtown and continues to move NSA students in/out of them like checkers.
What they can't buy,they rent.  The west 6th building was being used as a
sub-NSA classroom until the heat got to be a bit much and they closed that
down recently.  His goal is to take over the downtown area and put in his
"kingdom".  It is a goal he promoted at the HOH's and at church repeatedly.

So claim all you want that things Doug and the Wilsonistas are doing does
not affect you.  Be as blind as you want to be - while it affects the rest
of us, I am sure your comfy space will remain so - until Doug wants it for
his own, of course.

BUT, do not claim this is religious persecution.  It is not, has not and
will not ever be about that.  Smoke screens only work in westerns...and on
people who refuse to understand the whole and bigger picture.


J  :]




>From: Joan Opyr <joanopyr at moscow.com>
>To: Vision2020 Moscow <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Trouble With Doug, or Theocratic Park III
>Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 00:08:49 -0800
>
>
>On 19 Feb 2006, at 15:29, Pat Kraut wrote:
>
>>The truth is that you do not know or understand anything about me or how I
>>feel about CC or anything else and it is arrogant of you to think you do!!
>>I
>>do not know Doug Wilson nor have I ever attended his services I have
>>however
>>read one or two history books and this type of attack on ANY church or
>>group
>>no matter how much we do not approve of them is a very slippery slope. '
>
>I wrote what I wrote, Pat, in response to your unfounded and unsupported
>assumptions about the critics of Christ Church and Doug Wilson.  Anyone can
>claim religious persecution; it's a very handy trump card.  If I'm caught
>doing 75 in a 35 zone, and the cop who pulls me over is a fundamentalist
>Christian who believes that the Jews are collectively guilty of killing
>Christ, am I the victim of religious persecution?  Or am I just speeding?
>Doug Wilson is a serial zoning offender.  New St. Andrews has been located
>in three different places in Moscow, each time without zoning permission,
>and each time in a zone which forbade educational institutions.  Is calling
>this to the City's attention and asking for redress religious persecution?
>If so, how?  If you're a pastor, are you above the law?
>
>(On a related note, I see that Cardinal Bernard Law has finally been
>removed from his position in the Catholic Church.  Golden parachute;
>dishonorable retirement.  How long was justice in coming there?  The man
>ought to be in jail for his part in covering up and moving around pedophile
>priests.  Do you think the fact that he's not playing the spoons in
>Sing-Sing might have something to do with his being a priest?)
>
>Why should churches (bearing in mind that anything can call itself a
>church) be exempt from public scrutiny?  What threatens your religious
>freedom more, Pat -- my questioning of Doug Wilson's tax exemptions or Jim
>Bakker's PTL Club, the cult at Tyler, Texas, and the Bhagwan  Shree
>Rajneesh?  Would you defend any of those three?  Would you argue that those
>investigations marked the beginning of a "slippery slope" to religious
>persecution?  If you can't or you won't, then perhaps you might explain how
>having a look-see at the Wilson empire's finances, business practices, and
>tax exemptions is a slippery slope leading to religious persecution.
>
>You are quite correct to say that I know very little about you, Pat, but
>then you know demonstrably little about Doug Wilson.  It would behoove you
>to learn more, especially if you're planning to continue offering up
>half-baked defenses of the pastor's bad (and perhaps illegal) behavior.
>
>Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
>www.joanopyr.com
>
>PS: On a completely unrelated topic, Sunil wants to know why you think
>we're in Iraq.  I do wish you'd give him an answer -- any answer.  Make
>something up if you have to.  Hell!  What am I saying?!  I suggest we have
>a competition.  Let's ALL make up a reason for being in Iraq.  Here's mine:
>we had to invade somewhere and Iran was closed for nuclear repair.
>
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