[Vision2020] The Trouble With Doug
J Ford
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Tue Feb 21 11:46:52 PST 2006
Yeah...didn't like Nixon much either. What's that got to do with what Doug
is doing in and to Moscow?
J :]
>From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Trouble With Doug
>Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:38:20 -0800
>
>If he wasn't Doug Wilson you would all find a way to keep a building
>downtown occupied and taken care of not derelict...it is personal. Whether
>it is his teaching or other things he has said some of you just don't like
>him!
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 6:56 AM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Trouble With Doug
>
>
>Ok, Pat and others, let's list the reasons (again!) why Doug Wilson and his
>bunch should be under the microscope:
>
>Tax evasion - WE pick up the bill for those, such as CC, Logos, Atlas, NSA,
>Doug and any other Wilsonista that refuses to pay their fair share. I
>realize as non-property owners such as yourselves, this means very little
>to
>you. But, in the long run it means higher sales tax, higher retail
>property
>tax,
>higher gas tax, etc for EVERYone in the state. Hey, they gotta make up the
>difference somehow. Try looking at the legislative activity for this year
>and see the conflict going on there about this very issue.
>
>Illegal activities - such as the gambling house run out of Roy Atwood's
>home, the boarding homes run out of not only the homes of the followers but
>Doug, Roy, Dale, and other "big-wigs" in the organizaton. They don't pay
>ANY tax on those monies which range from $300-375/NSA kid in their home
>with
>an AVERAGE of 3kids/home. I know of one in particular that has 7 NSA kids
>living in it.
>
>The promotion to lie to the authorities, including the IRS - check out this
>sight again: http://dougsplotch.com/blackjack.htm. Doug OPENLY councils a
>follower to break the law and LIE to the IRS about doing it!
>
>The open contempt and character assissignation of those whom have left -
>all
>you gotta do is check out poohsthink.com and
>http://patrickpoole.blogspot.com to see this going on.
>
>Open denial and blaming of others - Doug is very adept at putting the blame
>for HIS actions onto others:
>http://www.dougwils.com/index.asp?Action=Anchor&CategoryID=1&BlogID=1998&Data=3003#posts
>
>What bewilders me is his ability to get people to excuse his excusing by
>claiming HIS claim of being an apostle and now a "professor" (when did he
>get his PhD? and from where in what?) But the fact that not ONE of the
>elders whose feet Doug laid this botched letter at, has had the manhood to
>stand up and say "Hey, wait a minute - that was YOU that did that." Not
>ONE! Guess the thought of loosing all those NSA student monies is more
>than
>they are willing to risk.
>
>WalMart's Super Store - Out of the blue, CC/Doug is claimiing that the new
>super store that WalMart wants in here is a GREAT idea...yeah, I would
>promote a business that personaly offers gains to an organization that I am
>running too. But to do it on the premise that "it'll help the poor"? Get
>real! I am poor and the only benefit I see happening is more NSA students
>will be able to get jobs before anyone else. (This has NOTHING to do with
>the WalMart's manager - he is not the problem. His managers of certain
>departments, however, are.)
>
>Buying of downtown - CC/Doug is buying any and all buildings they can
>downtown and continues to move NSA students in/out of them like checkers.
>What they can't buy,they rent. The west 6th building was being used as a
>sub-NSA classroom until the heat got to be a bit much and they closed that
>down recently. His goal is to take over the downtown area and put in his
>"kingdom". It is a goal he promoted at the HOH's and at church repeatedly.
>
>So claim all you want that things Doug and the Wilsonistas are doing does
>not affect you. Be as blind as you want to be - while it affects the rest
>of us, I am sure your comfy space will remain so - until Doug wants it for
>his own, of course.
>
>BUT, do not claim this is religious persecution. It is not, has not and
>will not ever be about that. Smoke screens only work in westerns...and on
>people who refuse to understand the whole and bigger picture.
>
>
>J :]
>
>
>
>
> >From: Joan Opyr <joanopyr at moscow.com>
> >To: Vision2020 Moscow <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Trouble With Doug, or Theocratic Park III
> >Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 00:08:49 -0800
> >
> >
> >On 19 Feb 2006, at 15:29, Pat Kraut wrote:
> >
> >>The truth is that you do not know or understand anything about me or how
>I
> >>feel about CC or anything else and it is arrogant of you to think you
>do!!
> >>I
> >>do not know Doug Wilson nor have I ever attended his services I have
> >>however
> >>read one or two history books and this type of attack on ANY church or
> >>group
> >>no matter how much we do not approve of them is a very slippery slope. '
> >
> >I wrote what I wrote, Pat, in response to your unfounded and unsupported
> >assumptions about the critics of Christ Church and Doug Wilson. Anyone
>can
> >claim religious persecution; it's a very handy trump card. If I'm caught
> >doing 75 in a 35 zone, and the cop who pulls me over is a fundamentalist
> >Christian who believes that the Jews are collectively guilty of killing
> >Christ, am I the victim of religious persecution? Or am I just speeding?
> >Doug Wilson is a serial zoning offender. New St. Andrews has been
>located
> >in three different places in Moscow, each time without zoning permission,
> >and each time in a zone which forbade educational institutions. Is
>calling
> >this to the City's attention and asking for redress religious
>persecution?
> >If so, how? If you're a pastor, are you above the law?
> >
> >(On a related note, I see that Cardinal Bernard Law has finally been
> >removed from his position in the Catholic Church. Golden parachute;
> >dishonorable retirement. How long was justice in coming there? The man
> >ought to be in jail for his part in covering up and moving around
>pedophile
> >priests. Do you think the fact that he's not playing the spoons in
> >Sing-Sing might have something to do with his being a priest?)
> >
> >Why should churches (bearing in mind that anything can call itself a
> >church) be exempt from public scrutiny? What threatens your religious
> >freedom more, Pat -- my questioning of Doug Wilson's tax exemptions or
>Jim
> >Bakker's PTL Club, the cult at Tyler, Texas, and the Bhagwan Shree
> >Rajneesh? Would you defend any of those three? Would you argue that
>those
> >investigations marked the beginning of a "slippery slope" to religious
> >persecution? If you can't or you won't, then perhaps you might explain
>how
> >having a look-see at the Wilson empire's finances, business practices,
>and
> >tax exemptions is a slippery slope leading to religious persecution.
> >
> >You are quite correct to say that I know very little about you, Pat, but
> >then you know demonstrably little about Doug Wilson. It would behoove
>you
> >to learn more, especially if you're planning to continue offering up
> >half-baked defenses of the pastor's bad (and perhaps illegal) behavior.
> >
> >Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
> >www.joanopyr.com
> >
> >PS: On a completely unrelated topic, Sunil wants to know why you think
> >we're in Iraq. I do wish you'd give him an answer -- any answer. Make
> >something up if you have to. Hell! What am I saying?! I suggest we
>have
> >a competition. Let's ALL make up a reason for being in Iraq. Here's
>mine:
> >we had to invade somewhere and Iran was closed for nuclear repair.
> >
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