[Vision2020] A Sunday afternoon stroll through Theocratic ParkIIIor Oh that

Mon Feb 20 17:08:50 PST 2006

Those concerned;

I was at not only this same meeting but meetings and sermons afterward that 
Wilson specifically stated he not only liked the movie but thought the 
interviewer and questions were fair and non-biased.  He felt that the movie 
maker would "do a fair job in presenting both sides" of the issue.  In fact, 
at each and every public showing, the members of CC have been there 
(including Dickinson).  Not once did they stand up and protest the film or 
any of the comments made by Wilson(both), Merkle, Wilkens, etc as being 
presented in an unfair manner.  Nor have any of their sites said such, as 
far as I can remember.  Not once!

I have a couple of questions:  Have you actually even seen the movie in 
question?  When the movie was being shown and a small fee was charged to 
enter into the theater or a donation to the food bank was asked, did you pay 
to see it?  If so, seems like you are a participant in something you are now 
bad-mouthing.

Also - Most churches in this area and others have a directory of their 
members.  It is NOT uncommon for them to have a section of those in their 
church that own businesses, at the end of the directory.  I know for a fact 
that the Catholic Church here and in other places, also uses their own 
people when/if they can simply out of familiarity.  The problem that I have 
with Wilson is that he admonishes his people to NOT shop in other places or 
use other people outside of the church unless there is no other choice.  But 
then Atwood claims NSA students are spending $3million at the downtown 
businesses!  Per year, even.

I am sure you know many Catholics that do not do this - but you do NOT know 
the entire population of that church and can not be a complete spokesperson 
for them and their practices.

I believe saying something like "Most Catholics I know, and there are 
plenty..." tends to be a mis-statement (poor sentence construction at best.) 
  I guess I'm lost as to if you know most Catholics or just plenty of them?

No, I am by no means an English Major...being Irish, that would make THAT a 
mis-statement were I to make such a statement, to say the least.  I'm just 
trying to make sure of what it is you really mean.  So please, in the 
language of my children - don't get pissy with me, I am just trying to 
understand your meaning.

J  :]

>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>To: Michael <metzler at moscow.com>, vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Sunday afternoon stroll through Theocratic 
>ParkIIIor Oh that Dougie he's so mean
>Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:00:25 -0800 (PST)
>
>"Actually,  Doug Wilson informed us at a Head of Household Meeting that he 
>thought  the movie did a good job at fairly presenting both sides; Wilson 
>went  further to say that some of it was even informative for him, 
>presenting  some actors or scenes that he was not aware of.  After that 
>public  statement, however, it’s viewing was never promoted to my 
>recollection.  (recall that Wilson has  sought to put an end to Vision2020 
>and Daily News)" M. Metzler
>
>   Do you have an evidence of this, or are we to take your account as the 
>one and only truth?
>
>     "Me:
>       I  think this is a very inaccurate and unhealthy social analysis 
>(and in  fact not very good theology for a Catholic if you ask me); this is 
>  particularly the case with respect to those who have been ‘in’ the  group 
>under consideration.  Ironically, I just posted an analysis  of the 
>vulnerability that all social institutionalization can bring;  how much 
>more so for groups like CC:"
>
>  I think it is unhealthy  and bad practice to mix your friends, religion, 
>politics and job all  into one group of people. Talk about setting yourself 
>up. Most  Catholics I know, and there are many, do not behave this way.
>
>   _DJA
>
>Michael <metzler at moscow.com> wrote:                        
>st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }                              Donovan 
>Writes:
>      [Joan]: "They might pick up a copy of "My Town" from  the Moscow 
>Public
>   > Library -- a film Doug Wilson, Roy  Atwood, Ben Merkle, etc., 
>cooperated
>   > with wholeheartedly -- and spend the hour and five minutes watching  
>it."
>
>   Participation in an interview and agreement with the content of the  
>entire film is not the same thing. Nor would I watch a movie tha! t is  
>intentionally biased under the pretense it was fair and balanced  
>information.
>
>     Me:
>     Actually,  Doug Wilson informed us at a Head of Household Meeting that 
>he thought  the movie did a good job at fairly presenting both sides; 
>Wilson went  further to say that some of it was even informative for him, 
>presenting  some actors or scenes that he was not aware of.  After that 
>public  statement, however, it’s viewing was never promoted to my 
>recollection.  (recall that Wilson has  sought to put an end to Vision2020 
>and Daily News)
>
>
>   Donovan:
>   Humm, I don't know, maybe make new friends, call the yellow pages and  
>get business because you advertise and provide a service or good worthy  of 
>purchasing? There are 31,000 other people in Latah in which to  business 
>outside of Christ    Church.  Wilson does not  h! ave the ability to take 
>away persons relationship with God except  themselves.
>     Wilson  only has the power you and others give him.
>
>     Me:
>     I  think this is a very inaccurate and unhealthy social analysis (and 
>in  fact not very good theology for a Catholic if you ask me); this is  
>particularly the case with respect to those who have been ‘in’ the  group 
>under consideration.  Ironically, I just posted an analysis  of the 
>vulnerability that all social institutionalization can bring;  how much 
>more so for groups like CC: 
>http://www.poohsthink.com/index.asp?Action=Anchor&CategoryID=1&BlogID=192
>
>     I’m finding it ironic that Wilson  is defended in terms of extreme 
>libertarianism, while those who have  general concerns for social justice 
>are the ones criticized for daring  to even mention the ‘private’ business 
>of others.  But others on  this list have already made some good points to 
>this, so I’ll leave it  at that.
>
>     Thanks
>     Michael Metzler
>
>
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