[Vision2020] A Sunday afternoon stroll through
TheocraticParkIIIor Oh that
J Ford
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Mon Feb 20 17:14:48 PST 2006
Sorry, that should read "DICKISON" not John on the City Council...sorry.
J :]
>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Sunday afternoon stroll through
>TheocraticParkIIIor Oh that Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:08:50 -0800
>
>Those concerned;
>
>I was at not only this same meeting but meetings and sermons afterward that
>Wilson specifically stated he not only liked the movie but thought the
>interviewer and questions were fair and non-biased. He felt that the movie
>maker would "do a fair job in presenting both sides" of the issue. In
>fact, at each and every public showing, the members of CC have been there
>(including Dickison). Not once did they stand up and protest the film or
>any of the comments made by Wilson(both), Merkle, Wilkens, etc as being
>presented in an unfair manner. Nor have any of their sites said such, as
>far as I can remember. Not once!
>
>I have a couple of questions: Have you actually even seen the movie in
>question? When the movie was being shown and a small fee was charged to
>enter into the theater or a donation to the food bank was asked, did you
>pay to see it? If so, seems like you are a participant in something you
>are now bad-mouthing.
>
>Also - Most churches in this area and others have a directory of their
>members. It is NOT uncommon for them to have a section of those in their
>church that own businesses, at the end of the directory. I know for a fact
>that the Catholic Church here and in other places, also uses their own
>people when/if they can simply out of familiarity. The problem that I have
>with Wilson is that he admonishes his people to NOT shop in other places or
>use other people outside of the church unless there is no other choice.
>But then Atwood claims NSA students are spending $3million at the downtown
>businesses! Per year, even.
>
>I am sure you know many Catholics that do not do this - but you do NOT know
>the entire population of that church and can not be a complete spokesperson
>for them and their practices.
>
>I believe saying something like "Most Catholics I know, and there are
>plenty..." tends to be a mis-statement (poor sentence construction at
>best.) I guess I'm lost as to if you know most Catholics or just plenty of
>them?
>
>No, I am by no means an English Major...being Irish, that would make THAT a
>mis-statement were I to make such a statement, to say the least. I'm just
>trying to make sure of what it is you really mean. So please, in the
>language of my children - don't get pissy with me, I am just trying to
>understand your meaning.
>
>J :]
>
>
>
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>>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>>To: Michael <metzler at moscow.com>, vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Sunday afternoon stroll through Theocratic
>>ParkIIIor Oh that Dougie he's so mean
>>Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:00:25 -0800 (PST)
>>
>>"Actually, Doug Wilson informed us at a Head of Household Meeting that he
>>thought the movie did a good job at fairly presenting both sides; Wilson
>>went further to say that some of it was even informative for him,
>>presenting some actors or scenes that he was not aware of. After that
>>public statement, however, it’s viewing was never promoted to my
>>recollection. (recall that Wilson has sought to put an end to Vision2020
>>and Daily News)" M. Metzler
>>
>> Do you have an evidence of this, or are we to take your account as the
>>one and only truth?
>>
>> "Me:
>> I think this is a very inaccurate and unhealthy social analysis
>>(and in fact not very good theology for a Catholic if you ask me); this
>>is particularly the case with respect to those who have been ‘in’ the
>>group under consideration. Ironically, I just posted an analysis of the
>>vulnerability that all social institutionalization can bring; how much
>>more so for groups like CC:"
>>
>> I think it is unhealthy and bad practice to mix your friends, religion,
>>politics and job all into one group of people. Talk about setting
>>yourself up. Most Catholics I know, and there are many, do not behave
>>this way.
>>
>> _DJA
>>
>>Michael <metzler at moscow.com> wrote:
>>st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }
>>Donovan Writes:
>> [Joan]: "They might pick up a copy of "My Town" from the Moscow
>>Public
>> > Library -- a film Doug Wilson, Roy Atwood, Ben Merkle, etc.,
>>cooperated
>> > with wholeheartedly -- and spend the hour and five minutes watching
>>it."
>>
>> Participation in an interview and agreement with the content of the
>>entire film is not the same thing. Nor would I watch a movie tha! t is
>>intentionally biased under the pretense it was fair and balanced
>>information.
>>
>> Me:
>> Actually, Doug Wilson informed us at a Head of Household Meeting
>>that he thought the movie did a good job at fairly presenting both sides;
>>Wilson went further to say that some of it was even informative for him,
>>presenting some actors or scenes that he was not aware of. After that
>>public statement, however, it’s viewing was never promoted to my
>>recollection. (recall that Wilson has sought to put an end to Vision2020
>>and Daily News)
>>
>>
>> Donovan:
>> Humm, I don't know, maybe make new friends, call the yellow pages and
>>get business because you advertise and provide a service or good worthy
>>of purchasing? There are 31,000 other people in Latah in which to
>>business outside of Christ Church. Wilson does not h! ave the ability
>>to take away persons relationship with God except themselves.
>> Wilson only has the power you and others give him.
>>
>> Me:
>> I think this is a very inaccurate and unhealthy social analysis (and
>>in fact not very good theology for a Catholic if you ask me); this is
>>particularly the case with respect to those who have been ‘in’ the group
>>under consideration. Ironically, I just posted an analysis of the
>>vulnerability that all social institutionalization can bring; how much
>>more so for groups like CC:
>>http://www.poohsthink.com/index.asp?Action=Anchor&CategoryID=1&BlogID=192
>>
>> I’m finding it ironic that Wilson is defended in terms of extreme
>>libertarianism, while those who have general concerns for social justice
>>are the ones criticized for daring to even mention the ‘private’ business
>>of others. But others on this list have already made some good points to
>>this, so I’ll leave it at that.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Michael Metzler
>>
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