[Vision2020] And James
Phil Nisbet
pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com
Fri Feb 17 13:29:02 PST 2006
And by the by James, I supported and worked on the campaign of John Anderson
and headed the only district in which he beat Reagan.
>From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>To: chapandmaize at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] RE: A Reagan supporter tells it like it is
>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:14:28 -0800
>
>James
>
>There is little that I have seen over the years that comes from Gore that
>has truth as its basis.
>
>Gore as the defender of the environment? Unless you were talking about his
>mine, where the streams ran with lead and zinc at loading levels that make
>the Couer D'Alene district look like pristine wilderness and yet recieved
>absolutely no calls from EPA for CERCLA designation. Was his law suit to
>force recovery of toxic cadmium from his ore rather than properly disposing
>it in an environmentally sound manner the act of an ecological individual
>or of a greed scumbag?
>
>Or how about Gore on monetary corruption in politics? Now there's a hoot.
>Can you say Occidental Petroleum? Have you looked at who funded his
>politics and how?
>
>I have been across conference tables for hours with Mr Gore on numerous
>occasions. On any number of occasions, Gore lied personally and directly
>to those of us in the room.
>
>After one such occasion, Gore tried to glad hand with me and join a lunch
>with me. I turned my back on him and left the room.
>
>So now Albert is taking $300,000 fees from Saudi Petro Heads and bashing
>away at US actions. You can chose to support his conclusions, but do not
>talk to me about the honesty and truth of any statement the man has to
>offer. I know better.
>
>Phil Nisbet
>
>>From: "James Reynolds" <chapandmaize at hotmail.com>
>>To: pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] RE: A Reagan supporter tells it like it is
>>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:46:53 -0800
>>
>>Well Phil I have met him but only as a handshake, not enough to love or
>>hate him, but I do appreciate the fact that he stands up to the Bush
>>administration and tells the truth. The truth is in very short (as in
>>absent) supply in the current administration. Which facts that Gore spoke
>>or that Roberts wrote are you willing to say is dishonest?
>>
>>For me it is not so much about political views as it is about truth and
>>honesty; simple ethical standards. I liked Reagan and thought he was a
>>basically honest man. Bush (in fact most of the Bush family) is nothing
>>but a user and a liar.
>>
>>James
>>
>>
>>>From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] RE: A Reagan supporter tells it like it is
>>>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:30:48 -0800
>>>
>>>Yes James, I have meet the man. Have you?
>>>
>>>How much of Gore's work have you actually read? Have you ever critiqued
>>>the accuracy of his work?
>>>
>>>Have you ever negotiated with Albert or tracked any personal promises
>>>that the man has made to you to see if he carried out his side of a
>>>bargain? Have you ever looked for the signs and traces of hypocracy in
>>>him, things like demanding that other do what he will absolutely refuse
>>>to?
>>>
>>>Or are you supporting statements of Gore, simply because he is a
>>>mouthpiece for your own political views?
>>>
>>>Just wondering.
>>>
>>>Phil Nisbet
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "James Reynolds" <chapandmaize at hotmail.com>
>>>>To: pkraut at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] RE: A Reagan supporter tells it like it is
>>>>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:42:03 -0800
>>>>
>>>>I would have to submit that it is not Gore you despise but the truth
>>>>that he speaks. Or have you met the man? Many Republicans seem to accept
>>>>this administrations actions just because it is derived from their
>>>>political party. Bush isn't a Republican, he is an opportunistic person
>>>>who is out to line his pocket and gather power for his own pleasures, at
>>>>any cost to our nation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>>>>>To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] RE: A Reagan supporter tells it like it is
>>>>>Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:51:59 -0800
>>>>>
>>>>>So some 'republican' agrees! Wow I really must change my estimation of
>>>>>Gore.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "James Reynolds" <chapandmaize at hotmail.com>
>>>>>To: <chapandmaize at hotmail.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 11:54 AM
>>>>>Subject: [Vision2020] RE: A Reagan supporter tells it like it is
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I cut a little from this article to show there is Republican agreement
>>>>>with
>>>>>Gore's stance. To be intelligent is not treasonous anywhere but in the
>>>>>Bush
>>>>>administration Pat.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Roberts' article appears under the headline: "Who Will Save America?"
>>>>>Who
>>>>>indeed! The full text of his remarks can be read at
>>>>>www.counterpunch.org.
>>>>>
>>>>>Paul Craig Roberts was former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in
>>>>>the
>>>>>Reagan administration. He also served as Associate editor of the Wall
>>>>>Street
>>>>>Journal and was a contributing editor of National Review. He is greatly
>>>>>concerned about the direction this country is taking.
>>>>>Roberts says he abandoned right-wing Republicanism when he saw the
>>>>>neoconservative element in the party respond to 9/11 by turning a war
>>>>>against terrorism into attacks on Muslim nations. He said: "I realized
>>>>>that
>>>>>the Bush administration was committing a strategic blunder with
>>>>>open-ended
>>>>>disastrous consequences for the U.S. that, in the end, would destroy
>>>>>Bush,
>>>>>the Republican Party and the conservative movement."
>>>>>He believes the Bush administration has arrived at a point where it
>>>>>intends
>>>>>to make the American people irrelevant, totally
>>>>>
>>>>>Roberts sees that as symptomatic of what is taking place in the U.S.
>>>>>today.
>>>>>"The United States is undergoing a coup against the Constitution, the
>>>>>Bill
>>>>>of Rights, civil liberties, and democracy itself," he said. "The
>>>>>'liberal
>>>>>press' has been co-opted. As everyone must know by now, The New York
>>>>>Times
>>>>>has totally failed its First Amendment obligations, allowing Judith
>>>>>Miller
>>>>>to make war propaganda for the Bush administration, suppressing for an
>>>>>entire year the news that the Bush administration was illegally spying
>>>>>on
>>>>>American citizens, and denying coverage to Al Gore's speech that
>>>>>challenged
>>>>>the criminal deeds of the Bush administration." (See article about the
>>>>>wiretap scandal.)
>>>>>
>>>>>He rightly notes that Homeland Security and the Patriot Act do nothing
>>>>>to
>>>>>protect us. Instead, they undercut our safeguards by shredding the
>>>>>Constitution and our civil liberties. Roberts commented: "Those with a
>>>>>tyrannical turn of mind have always used fear and hysteria to overcome
>>>>>obstacles to their power and to gain new means of silencing
>>>>>opposition."
>>>>>
>>>>>"Hamas' victory in the recent Palestinian elections indicates that
>>>>>Muslim
>>>>>outrage over further U.S. aggression in the Middle East has the
>>>>>potential to
>>>>>produce uprisings in Pakistan, Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia. Not
>>>>>even
>>>>>Karl Rove and Fox 'News' could spin Bush out of the catastrophe,"
>>>>>Roberts
>>>>>said.
>>>>>The perpetual "war on terror" serves many interests, last of all, that
>>>>>of
>>>>>the American people's welfare. Roberts points out that the Federalist
>>>>>Society, from whence came Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts, is
>>>>>using
>>>>>the "war" to stack the high court and concentrate power in the
>>>>>executive
>>>>>branch; the neocons are using it to gain their objective of Israeli
>>>>>hegemony
>>>>>in the Middle East; police agencies are using it to remove restraints
>>>>>on
>>>>>their powers and make themselves less accountable; Republicans are
>>>>>using it
>>>>>to achieve one-party rule-their own; the Bush administration is using
>>>>>the
>>>>>war to avoid accountability and limits on executive powers. The arms
>>>>>industries are using it to fatten their bottom lines; terrorism experts
>>>>>use
>>>>>it to get more visibility; and security companies use it to gain
>>>>>customers.
>>>>>The list goes on and on. The lack of debate removes the limits.
>>>>>
>>>>>Roberts concludes: "One certainty prevails. Bush is committing America
>>>>>to a
>>>>>path of violence and coercion, and he is getting away with it."
>>>>>
>>>>>James Reynolds
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >From: "James Reynolds" <chapandmaize at hotmail.com>
>>>>> >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>> >Subject: [Vision2020] Gore's Foreign Policy
>>>>> >Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:56:24 -0800
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Al Gore was following the only path toward resolution of the
>>>>>long-term
>>>>> >miss-steps that our Government has employed in the Mideast. His talk
>>>>>in
>>>>> >Saudi Arabia should not (as it is by some) be looked at as
>>>>>anti-America but
>>>>> >instead is a first step in reconciling the relationship problems
>>>>>between
>>>>> >the Mideast and the USA, American foreign policy has contributed to.
>>>>>We
>>>>> >must return to the premise that diplomacy and honest open discourse
>>>>>are the
>>>>> >tools needed to rectify our political problems abroad. Our
>>>>>government's
>>>>> >reliance on direct military force against foreign governments and
>>>>>military
>>>>> >assistance to dissidents against those same governments has
>>>>>contributed
>>>>> >manifestly to the problems that are now threatening the security of
>>>>>the
>>>>> >Mideast and the American people's own freedom. Our government needs
>>>>>to
>>>>> >change its emphasis from the current militaristic attitude to one of
>>>>> >diplomacy before it is too late.
>>>>> >
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