[Vision2020] RE: A Reagan supporter tells it like it is
Phil Nisbet
pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com
Fri Feb 17 13:14:28 PST 2006
James
There is little that I have seen over the years that comes from Gore that
has truth as its basis.
Gore as the defender of the environment? Unless you were talking about his
mine, where the streams ran with lead and zinc at loading levels that make
the Couer D'Alene district look like pristine wilderness and yet recieved
absolutely no calls from EPA for CERCLA designation. Was his law suit to
force recovery of toxic cadmium from his ore rather than properly disposing
it in an environmentally sound manner the act of an ecological individual or
of a greed scumbag?
Or how about Gore on monetary corruption in politics? Now there's a hoot.
Can you say Occidental Petroleum? Have you looked at who funded his
politics and how?
I have been across conference tables for hours with Mr Gore on numerous
occasions. On any number of occasions, Gore lied personally and directly to
those of us in the room.
After one such occasion, Gore tried to glad hand with me and join a lunch
with me. I turned my back on him and left the room.
So now Albert is taking $300,000 fees from Saudi Petro Heads and bashing
away at US actions. You can chose to support his conclusions, but do not
talk to me about the honesty and truth of any statement the man has to
offer. I know better.
Phil Nisbet
>From: "James Reynolds" <chapandmaize at hotmail.com>
>To: pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] RE: A Reagan supporter tells it like it is
>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:46:53 -0800
>
>Well Phil I have met him but only as a handshake, not enough to love or
>hate him, but I do appreciate the fact that he stands up to the Bush
>administration and tells the truth. The truth is in very short (as in
>absent) supply in the current administration. Which facts that Gore spoke
>or that Roberts wrote are you willing to say is dishonest?
>
>For me it is not so much about political views as it is about truth and
>honesty; simple ethical standards. I liked Reagan and thought he was a
>basically honest man. Bush (in fact most of the Bush family) is nothing but
>a user and a liar.
>
>James
>
>
>>From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] RE: A Reagan supporter tells it like it is
>>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:30:48 -0800
>>
>>Yes James, I have meet the man. Have you?
>>
>>How much of Gore's work have you actually read? Have you ever critiqued
>>the accuracy of his work?
>>
>>Have you ever negotiated with Albert or tracked any personal promises that
>>the man has made to you to see if he carried out his side of a bargain?
>>Have you ever looked for the signs and traces of hypocracy in him, things
>>like demanding that other do what he will absolutely refuse to?
>>
>>Or are you supporting statements of Gore, simply because he is a
>>mouthpiece for your own political views?
>>
>>Just wondering.
>>
>>Phil Nisbet
>>
>>
>>>From: "James Reynolds" <chapandmaize at hotmail.com>
>>>To: pkraut at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] RE: A Reagan supporter tells it like it is
>>>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:42:03 -0800
>>>
>>>I would have to submit that it is not Gore you despise but the truth that
>>>he speaks. Or have you met the man? Many Republicans seem to accept this
>>>administrations actions just because it is derived from their political
>>>party. Bush isn't a Republican, he is an opportunistic person who is out
>>>to line his pocket and gather power for his own pleasures, at any cost to
>>>our nation.
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>>>>To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] RE: A Reagan supporter tells it like it is
>>>>Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:51:59 -0800
>>>>
>>>>So some 'republican' agrees! Wow I really must change my estimation of
>>>>Gore.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "James Reynolds" <chapandmaize at hotmail.com>
>>>>To: <chapandmaize at hotmail.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 11:54 AM
>>>>Subject: [Vision2020] RE: A Reagan supporter tells it like it is
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I cut a little from this article to show there is Republican agreement
>>>>with
>>>>Gore's stance. To be intelligent is not treasonous anywhere but in the
>>>>Bush
>>>>administration Pat.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Roberts' article appears under the headline: "Who Will Save America?"
>>>>Who
>>>>indeed! The full text of his remarks can be read at
>>>>www.counterpunch.org.
>>>>
>>>>Paul Craig Roberts was former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the
>>>>Reagan administration. He also served as Associate editor of the Wall
>>>>Street
>>>>Journal and was a contributing editor of National Review. He is greatly
>>>>concerned about the direction this country is taking.
>>>>Roberts says he abandoned right-wing Republicanism when he saw the
>>>>neoconservative element in the party respond to 9/11 by turning a war
>>>>against terrorism into attacks on Muslim nations. He said: "I realized
>>>>that
>>>>the Bush administration was committing a strategic blunder with
>>>>open-ended
>>>>disastrous consequences for the U.S. that, in the end, would destroy
>>>>Bush,
>>>>the Republican Party and the conservative movement."
>>>>He believes the Bush administration has arrived at a point where it
>>>>intends
>>>>to make the American people irrelevant, totally
>>>>
>>>>Roberts sees that as symptomatic of what is taking place in the U.S.
>>>>today.
>>>>"The United States is undergoing a coup against the Constitution, the
>>>>Bill
>>>>of Rights, civil liberties, and democracy itself," he said. "The
>>>>'liberal
>>>>press' has been co-opted. As everyone must know by now, The New York
>>>>Times
>>>>has totally failed its First Amendment obligations, allowing Judith
>>>>Miller
>>>>to make war propaganda for the Bush administration, suppressing for an
>>>>entire year the news that the Bush administration was illegally spying
>>>>on
>>>>American citizens, and denying coverage to Al Gore's speech that
>>>>challenged
>>>>the criminal deeds of the Bush administration." (See article about the
>>>>wiretap scandal.)
>>>>
>>>>He rightly notes that Homeland Security and the Patriot Act do nothing
>>>>to
>>>>protect us. Instead, they undercut our safeguards by shredding the
>>>>Constitution and our civil liberties. Roberts commented: "Those with a
>>>>tyrannical turn of mind have always used fear and hysteria to overcome
>>>>obstacles to their power and to gain new means of silencing opposition."
>>>>
>>>>"Hamas' victory in the recent Palestinian elections indicates that
>>>>Muslim
>>>>outrage over further U.S. aggression in the Middle East has the
>>>>potential to
>>>>produce uprisings in Pakistan, Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia. Not even
>>>>Karl Rove and Fox 'News' could spin Bush out of the catastrophe,"
>>>>Roberts
>>>>said.
>>>>The perpetual "war on terror" serves many interests, last of all, that
>>>>of
>>>>the American people's welfare. Roberts points out that the Federalist
>>>>Society, from whence came Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts, is
>>>>using
>>>>the "war" to stack the high court and concentrate power in the executive
>>>>branch; the neocons are using it to gain their objective of Israeli
>>>>hegemony
>>>>in the Middle East; police agencies are using it to remove restraints on
>>>>their powers and make themselves less accountable; Republicans are using
>>>>it
>>>>to achieve one-party rule-their own; the Bush administration is using
>>>>the
>>>>war to avoid accountability and limits on executive powers. The arms
>>>>industries are using it to fatten their bottom lines; terrorism experts
>>>>use
>>>>it to get more visibility; and security companies use it to gain
>>>>customers.
>>>>The list goes on and on. The lack of debate removes the limits.
>>>>
>>>>Roberts concludes: "One certainty prevails. Bush is committing America
>>>>to a
>>>>path of violence and coercion, and he is getting away with it."
>>>>
>>>>James Reynolds
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >From: "James Reynolds" <chapandmaize at hotmail.com>
>>>> >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>> >Subject: [Vision2020] Gore's Foreign Policy
>>>> >Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:56:24 -0800
>>>> >
>>>> >Al Gore was following the only path toward resolution of the long-term
>>>> >miss-steps that our Government has employed in the Mideast. His talk
>>>>in
>>>> >Saudi Arabia should not (as it is by some) be looked at as
>>>>anti-America but
>>>> >instead is a first step in reconciling the relationship problems
>>>>between
>>>> >the Mideast and the USA, American foreign policy has contributed to.
>>>>We
>>>> >must return to the premise that diplomacy and honest open discourse
>>>>are the
>>>> >tools needed to rectify our political problems abroad. Our
>>>>government's
>>>> >reliance on direct military force against foreign governments and
>>>>military
>>>> >assistance to dissidents against those same governments has
>>>>contributed
>>>> >manifestly to the problems that are now threatening the security of
>>>>the
>>>> >Mideast and the American people's own freedom. Our government needs to
>>>> >change its emphasis from the current militaristic attitude to one of
>>>> >diplomacy before it is too late.
>>>> >
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