[Vision2020] Plan in Action

Fri Feb 17 09:33:13 PST 2006

You know the saying:  "Just when I learn to play the game, they change the 
rules on me."

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>From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>To: jampot at adelphia.net, deco at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Plan in Action
>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:09:15 -0800
>
>Not that anyone's holding off on their coffee and Cheerios to wait for my 
>comments, but I will say this:  G. Crabtree and I have had our 
>disagreements, but he has been very gracious in his interaction with me 
>over the last day or two, and I appreciate it.  I don't know him, although 
>I met him at the Vision potluck.
>
>I know Wayne and have enjoyed talking with him in the past.  But I would 
>point out that nothing in this most recent or any other thread requires a 
>reference to "anal itch," and Wayne's insightful comments are often lost in 
>his frequent scatological references.
>
>Now, before some of you write to accuse me of being smug, judgmental, and 
>haughty in spirit, could you just for a moment remember the times when 
>you've jumped on me for not criticizing my allies or defending my 
>detractors?  Thanks.  Because I get smug, judgmental, and haughty when 
>people change the rules on me, and we wouldn't want that, would we?
>
>Be nice, everyone.  Me, too.
>
>keely
>
>
>From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
>To: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>, "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Plan in Action
>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:23:02 -0800
>
>Mr. Fox, Unfortunately you have caused me to lose a wager. I bet that you 
>would not become personally and anatomically abusive and insulting till I 
>had been regularly posting to this list for at least 90 days.
>
>Michael causes me no "itch" what so ever. I think that in general he's a 
>fairly OK guy and the only reason he's involved in my posting at all is 
>because he is referenced several times by "ford" in his/her rants. The fact 
>that he keeps most of his Byzantine musings on his own site and doesn't 
>preach to the anti-Wilson choir on the vis makes him top notch in my book.
>
>To look at my posts and take from them any hint of "banning" or censorship 
>is to completely and I suspect deliberately misread what I have written. A 
>fairly common tactic among the I loathe CC crowd. For me to suggest an 
>alternative to "fords" endless carrying on is hardly totalitarian, anti 
>"civil liberties," or "despotic." Over blown rhetoric in the extreme.
>
>With regard to our personal interaction, referred to in your last sentence, 
>which has been strictly business and non personal. How has this been in any 
>way analogous to what transpires on this forum? I don't recall oppressing 
>you or denying you any of your God given rights. Please enlighten me.
>
>G. Crabtree
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Art Deco
>   To: Vision 2020
>   Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:54 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Plan in Action
>
>
>   Michael,
>
>   Apparently some of use are causing Mr. Crabtree an unscratchable, deeply 
>annoying anal itch by our various interests.  He wishes that we would find 
>other interest.
>
>   Scratch him off the list of those concerned about civil liberties or 
>those respecting the choice of individuals in a free society of topics to 
>talk about or issues to concern themselves about.  Like Donovan, put him on 
>the list for banning discussing anything that he doesn't personally deem 
>proper (which urgings, of course as any not total fool could see, is quite 
>counterproductive).
>
>   Crabtree is simply another would be community despot telling us what to 
>talk about and how to talk about it masquerading otherwise.  But he is not 
>totally a hypocrite.  He is in person like he is on V 2020.
>
>   W.
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Michael
>   To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>   Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:32 PM
>   Subject: [Vision2020] Plan in Action
>
>
>   Crabtree Writes:
>
>
>
>   I have seriously tried to comprehend the dastardly deed that seems to 
>have inflamed Mr. Metzler .it is just too arcane to understand how anyone 
>outside the group could work up much of a lather over
>
>   it.
>
>
>
>   Me:
>
>
>
>   Mr. Crabtree,
>
>
>
>   If you wish to throw me into the heap of people you enjoy castigating 
>here, please mention something specific so that I can answer your charges. 
>I really don't care to get into any discussions with you, but I'm hoping 
>you would give me the ability to defend myself by referencing some specific 
>evil I've done that you are apparently very concerned about.
>
>
>
>   Thank you
>
>   Michael Metzler
>
>
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