[Vision2020] Plan in Action

[keely emerinemix]

Not that anyone's holding off on their coffee and Cheerios to wait for my 
comments, but I will say this:  G. Crabtree and I have had our 
disagreements, but he has been very gracious in his interaction with me over 
the last day or two, and I appreciate it.  I don't know him, although I met 
him at the Vision potluck.

I know Wayne and have enjoyed talking with him in the past.  But I would 
point out that nothing in this most recent or any other thread requires a 
reference to "anal itch," and Wayne's insightful comments are often lost in 
his frequent scatological references.

Now, before some of you write to accuse me of being smug, judgmental, and 
haughty in spirit, could you just for a moment remember the times when 
you've jumped on me for not criticizing my allies or defending my 
detractors?  Thanks.  Because I get smug, judgmental, and haughty when 
people change the rules on me, and we wouldn't want that, would we?

Be nice, everyone.  Me, too.

keely


From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
To: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>, "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Plan in Action
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:23:02 -0800

Mr. Fox, Unfortunately you have caused me to lose a wager. I bet that you 
would not become personally and anatomically abusive and insulting till I 
had been regularly posting to this list for at least 90 days.

Michael causes me no "itch" what so ever. I think that in general he's a 
fairly OK guy and the only reason he's involved in my posting at all is 
because he is referenced several times by "ford" in his/her rants. The fact 
that he keeps most of his Byzantine musings on his own site and doesn't 
preach to the anti-Wilson choir on the vis makes him top notch in my book.

To look at my posts and take from them any hint of "banning" or censorship 
is to completely and I suspect deliberately misread what I have written. A 
fairly common tactic among the I loathe CC crowd. For me to suggest an 
alternative to "fords" endless carrying on is hardly totalitarian, anti 
"civil liberties," or "despotic." Over blown rhetoric in the extreme.

With regard to our personal interaction, referred to in your last sentence, 
which has been strictly business and non personal. How has this been in any 
way analogous to what transpires on this forum? I don't recall oppressing 
you or denying you any of your God given rights. Please enlighten me.

G. Crabtree
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Art Deco
   To: Vision 2020
   Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:54 PM
   Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Plan in Action


   Michael,

   Apparently some of use are causing Mr. Crabtree an unscratchable, deeply 
annoying anal itch by our various interests.  He wishes that we would find 
other interest.

   Scratch him off the list of those concerned about civil liberties or 
those respecting the choice of individuals in a free society of topics to 
talk about or issues to concern themselves about.  Like Donovan, put him on 
the list for banning discussing anything that he doesn't personally deem 
proper (which urgings, of course as any not total fool could see, is quite 
counterproductive).

   Crabtree is simply another would be community despot telling us what to 
talk about and how to talk about it masquerading otherwise.  But he is not 
totally a hypocrite.  He is in person like he is on V 2020.

   W.

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Michael
   To: vision2020 at moscow.com
   Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:32 PM
   Subject: [Vision2020] Plan in Action


   Crabtree Writes:



   I have seriously tried to comprehend the dastardly deed that seems to 
have inflamed Mr. Metzler .it is just too arcane to understand how anyone 
outside the group could work up much of a lather over

   it.



   Me:



   Mr. Crabtree,



   If you wish to throw me into the heap of people you enjoy castigating 
here, please mention something specific so that I can answer your charges. I 
really don't care to get into any discussions with you, but I'm hoping you 
would give me the ability to defend myself by referencing some specific evil 
I've done that you are apparently very concerned about.



   Thank you

   Michael Metzler



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