[Vision2020] Candidate, Former Marine, Says Bush Should Be Impeached

Fri Feb 17 08:10:27 PST 2006

Sunil,

 Fair enough if you wish to see it that way. But I do  not think Bush is impeachable at this point. People voted for him and  he was elected fair and square. We can not just oust him because we  realized that he is the worst President of the United States since  Warren G. Harding. I think Democrats at this point should be grateful  that Bush is in office, it is the only thing they have going for them.

  On the note of the war, I do not have a problem with people that are  for it or not for it. I have a problem with the people that were for  it, then when we went in, they switched sides. That is just wrong. The  WMD had nothing to do with decision to go in. It was just another  Presidential lie exposed and exploited.

  Democrats need to stop being on the offensive and start being productive. 

  Impeachment and Removal are two different things. Two presidents were  impeached, but not removed. Saying someone should be impeached is not  the same thing as saying they should be removed. It shows ignorance of  how the system works and the terms mean. It is not a play on words, it  is a misunderstanding of the process and proper terms. 

 The  impeachment and removal process should not be engaged based on the  popularity of the President, or agreement with his decisions, or even  for lying. It should be used for the purposes of removing a  criminal-ONLY. 

  Take Care,

  _DJA

Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:  My responses below Donovan's:

>
>Sunil,
>
>  The impeachment takes place in the House of  Representatives. The Senate 
>does not vote on impeachment, EVER. It  votes to remove or not remove the 
>President based only on the charges  set forth by the House of 
>Representatives.

Donovan, you've just restated what I said.  The House impeaches, but that's 
where the charge is brought.  The charge is tried by the Senate.  They 
decide by voting.  Sure, that never happens if the House doesn't vote on it 
themselves and send it up, but the ultimate decision will be made by the 
Senate, with a vote.  If you want to insist that this does not amount to 
voting on impeachment, you're playing a strange word game.

>  And no, the  correct place to start with the process of removing a person 
>from  political office is not with a resolution, but with consensus that a  
>crime has been committed.

>From this randomly Googled site: 
http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/impeachments/
I extract and offer you this quote:

"Impeachment resolutions made by members of the House of Representatives are 
turned over to the House Judiciary Committee which decides whether the 
resolution and its allegations of wrongdoing by the President merits a 
referral to the full House for a vote on launching a formal impeachment 
inquiry. "

Fine, maybe it starts with consensus that a crime has been committed.  But 
without a resolution, seems to me that consensus consists of a lot of people 
talking and nothing else happening.
>
>  I do not agree with Bush's decision  to go to war, but then again I did 
>not vote for the War Resolution that  60% of Democrats did. It Bush is 
>impeachable for what happened in Iraq  so is every Senator that voted to go 
>to war.

Not if they weren't cherry-picking intelligence.  Are they culpable?  For 
cowardice, sure, but the ultimate decision was Bush's.  He could have waited 
for the inspectors to complete their work.  He didn't, and later he claimed 
Saddam didn't let them in.

>
>   Why is it that Senators are not impeachable for giving a drunken idiot 
>unchecked use of the US Military?

I don't think what they did was impeachable.  I think it was cowardly, and I 
am ashamed of the Democrats who voted for the war.  There's Hillary, 
positioning herself for the next election and still pro-war.  I also think 
the Republicans timed the vote before the election because they knew the 
Democrats were afraid to vote against it.  And I think their calculation was 
correct: The Democrats would have been voted out if they voted against the 
war.

Who do we blame for that?  Don't we all have to look in the mirror?
>
>   I am glad we can agree that the Democratic approach of removing 
>Republicans from office is not that stellar.
>
>
>   _DJA
>
>
>
>Sunil Ramalingam  wrote:  Ah, using that 
>political science degree again, Donovan.  But doesn't the
>article say he's urging Rhode Island's CONGRESSMEN (emphasis added) to
>co-sponsor an impeachment resolution?
>
>Isn't that the correct course of action if that is where the impeachment
>process begins?
>
>And then, let me see, doesn't the actual impeachment trial take place in 
>the
>Senate?  So if this guy were to be elected to the Senate, wouldn't he be
>able to vote on the issue, should such a thing come to pass?
>
>If you want to critique whether or not this is a sound strategy for the
>Dems, that's another matter, and have at it.  But don't you think you're a
>little off-base if you criticize him for not knowing how the impeachment
>process works?
>
>Sunil
>
>
> >From: Donovan Arnold
> >To: Tom Hansen ,        Moscow Vision 2020
> >
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020]  Candidate, Former Marine,Says Bush Should Be
> >Impeached
> >Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:16:55 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >WOW! Stop the presses, a Democratic senatorial candidate in a liberal
> >state says Bush should be impeached. What a rarity. To bad he cannot
> >explain why he is running for the Senate when it the House that does  the
> >impeaching.
> >
> >  I know I want to nominate the Democratic  candidate that has no ideas 
>of
> >his own and does not understand how the  impeachment process works but 
>can
> >hurl the most insults and radical  statements they can at Bush and other
> >Republicans. That way we can  spend another 2 years wondering why we 
>cannot
> >beat them even though  they had only a 27% approval rating.
> >
> >  If Democrats would learn  that the way to win elections is to focus on
> >the future, have a  positive attitude and explain what would be different
> >if they were in  office and why it would be better, then we could win 
>some
> >elections and  make this country a better place. But we won't, because it
> >is easier to  complain about the past and Bush bash then it is to lead 
>and
> >present  new ideas and solutions.
> >
> >   _DJA
> >
> >Tom Hansen  wrote:  >From today's Army times
> >(www.ArmyTimes.com)
> >
> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >Candidate, former Marine, says Bush should be impeached
> >
> >By Rick Maze
> >Times staff writer
> >
> >A former Marine running for the U.S. Senate says President Bush should be
> >impeached for taking the nation to war in Iraq.
> >
> >Carl Sheller, running as a Democratic candidate in the Rhode Island
> >primary,
> >wants his fellow Democratic candidates to join him in urging the state's
> >two
> >Democratic congressmen, Patrick Kennedy and James Langevin, to co-sponsor 
>a
> >resolution calling for Bush's impeachment. The resolution, HRes 635, is
> >sponsored by Rep. John Conyers Jr., D-Mich., and has 24 co-sponsors.
> >
> >It calls for creation of a committee to investigate possible impeachment
> >charges against President Bush and Vice President Cheney for misleading
> >Congress and the American public about reasons for beginning military
> >operations against Iraq.
> >
> >Sheller, a former Marine captain, said in a statement that he faults the
> >Bush administration for many things, among them being wrong on defense 
>and
> >national security issues.
> >
> >"Bush lied about being strong on defense," Sheller said. "His military
> >spending shortchanges combat troops and veterans while enriching cronies
> >and
> >contractors."
> >
> >Sheller's campaign has paid for billboards along Interstate 95 in Rhode
> >Island calling for Bush's impeachment.
> >
> >Sheller was a Marine combat and staff officer in the early 1990s, mostly 
>in
> >the reserves, were he was an armor officer. He was mobilized in support 
>of
> >Operation Desert Storm, although he did not see combat. He was a family
> >liaison officer.
> >
> >In a letter to Rhode Island veterans last summer seeking their support 
>for
> >his campaign, Sheller summed up his service in one sentence: "Often, I
> >served well and sometimes I fell on my sword."
> >
> >Sheller said he joined the Marine Corps after missing out on a nomination
> >to
> >the U.S. Air Force Academy because of a broken wrist.
> >
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> >
> >The state motto of Rhode Island is "Hope".  I believe we can add a
> >heart-felt "Semper Fi" to it as well.
> >
> >Pro patria,
> >
> >Tom "Proud to be a Veteran" Hansen
> >Moscow, Idaho
> >
> >"I love my country but fear my government."
> >
> >- Author Unknown
> >
> >
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