[Vision2020] Candidate, Former Marine,
Says Bush Should Be Impeached
Sunil Ramalingam
sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
Fri Feb 17 00:27:07 PST 2006
My responses below Donovan's:
>
>Sunil,
>
> The impeachment takes place in the House of Representatives. The Senate
>does not vote on impeachment, EVER. It votes to remove or not remove the
>President based only on the charges set forth by the House of
>Representatives.
Donovan, you've just restated what I said. The House impeaches, but that's
where the charge is brought. The charge is tried by the Senate. They
decide by voting. Sure, that never happens if the House doesn't vote on it
themselves and send it up, but the ultimate decision will be made by the
Senate, with a vote. If you want to insist that this does not amount to
voting on impeachment, you're playing a strange word game.
> And no, the correct place to start with the process of removing a person
>from political office is not with a resolution, but with consensus that a
>crime has been committed.
>From this randomly Googled site:
http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/impeachments/
I extract and offer you this quote:
"Impeachment resolutions made by members of the House of Representatives are
turned over to the House Judiciary Committee which decides whether the
resolution and its allegations of wrongdoing by the President merits a
referral to the full House for a vote on launching a formal impeachment
inquiry. "
Fine, maybe it starts with consensus that a crime has been committed. But
without a resolution, seems to me that consensus consists of a lot of people
talking and nothing else happening.
>
> I do not agree with Bush's decision to go to war, but then again I did
>not vote for the War Resolution that 60% of Democrats did. It Bush is
>impeachable for what happened in Iraq so is every Senator that voted to go
>to war.
Not if they weren't cherry-picking intelligence. Are they culpable? For
cowardice, sure, but the ultimate decision was Bush's. He could have waited
for the inspectors to complete their work. He didn't, and later he claimed
Saddam didn't let them in.
>
> Why is it that Senators are not impeachable for giving a drunken idiot
>unchecked use of the US Military?
I don't think what they did was impeachable. I think it was cowardly, and I
am ashamed of the Democrats who voted for the war. There's Hillary,
positioning herself for the next election and still pro-war. I also think
the Republicans timed the vote before the election because they knew the
Democrats were afraid to vote against it. And I think their calculation was
correct: The Democrats would have been voted out if they voted against the
war.
Who do we blame for that? Don't we all have to look in the mirror?
>
> I am glad we can agree that the Democratic approach of removing
>Republicans from office is not that stellar.
>
>
> _DJA
>
>
>
>Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote: Ah, using that
>political science degree again, Donovan. But doesn't the
>article say he's urging Rhode Island's CONGRESSMEN (emphasis added) to
>co-sponsor an impeachment resolution?
>
>Isn't that the correct course of action if that is where the impeachment
>process begins?
>
>And then, let me see, doesn't the actual impeachment trial take place in
>the
>Senate? So if this guy were to be elected to the Senate, wouldn't he be
>able to vote on the issue, should such a thing come to pass?
>
>If you want to critique whether or not this is a sound strategy for the
>Dems, that's another matter, and have at it. But don't you think you're a
>little off-base if you criticize him for not knowing how the impeachment
>process works?
>
>Sunil
>
>
> >From: Donovan Arnold
> >To: Tom Hansen , Moscow Vision 2020
> >
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Candidate, Former Marine,Says Bush Should Be
> >Impeached
> >Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:16:55 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >WOW! Stop the presses, a Democratic senatorial candidate in a liberal
> >state says Bush should be impeached. What a rarity. To bad he cannot
> >explain why he is running for the Senate when it the House that does the
> >impeaching.
> >
> > I know I want to nominate the Democratic candidate that has no ideas
>of
> >his own and does not understand how the impeachment process works but
>can
> >hurl the most insults and radical statements they can at Bush and other
> >Republicans. That way we can spend another 2 years wondering why we
>cannot
> >beat them even though they had only a 27% approval rating.
> >
> > If Democrats would learn that the way to win elections is to focus on
> >the future, have a positive attitude and explain what would be different
> >if they were in office and why it would be better, then we could win
>some
> >elections and make this country a better place. But we won't, because it
> >is easier to complain about the past and Bush bash then it is to lead
>and
> >present new ideas and solutions.
> >
> > _DJA
> >
> >Tom Hansen wrote: >From today's Army times
> >(www.ArmyTimes.com)
> >
> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >Candidate, former Marine, says Bush should be impeached
> >
> >By Rick Maze
> >Times staff writer
> >
> >A former Marine running for the U.S. Senate says President Bush should be
> >impeached for taking the nation to war in Iraq.
> >
> >Carl Sheller, running as a Democratic candidate in the Rhode Island
> >primary,
> >wants his fellow Democratic candidates to join him in urging the state's
> >two
> >Democratic congressmen, Patrick Kennedy and James Langevin, to co-sponsor
>a
> >resolution calling for Bush's impeachment. The resolution, HRes 635, is
> >sponsored by Rep. John Conyers Jr., D-Mich., and has 24 co-sponsors.
> >
> >It calls for creation of a committee to investigate possible impeachment
> >charges against President Bush and Vice President Cheney for misleading
> >Congress and the American public about reasons for beginning military
> >operations against Iraq.
> >
> >Sheller, a former Marine captain, said in a statement that he faults the
> >Bush administration for many things, among them being wrong on defense
>and
> >national security issues.
> >
> >"Bush lied about being strong on defense," Sheller said. "His military
> >spending shortchanges combat troops and veterans while enriching cronies
> >and
> >contractors."
> >
> >Sheller's campaign has paid for billboards along Interstate 95 in Rhode
> >Island calling for Bush's impeachment.
> >
> >Sheller was a Marine combat and staff officer in the early 1990s, mostly
>in
> >the reserves, were he was an armor officer. He was mobilized in support
>of
> >Operation Desert Storm, although he did not see combat. He was a family
> >liaison officer.
> >
> >In a letter to Rhode Island veterans last summer seeking their support
>for
> >his campaign, Sheller summed up his service in one sentence: "Often, I
> >served well and sometimes I fell on my sword."
> >
> >Sheller said he joined the Marine Corps after missing out on a nomination
> >to
> >the U.S. Air Force Academy because of a broken wrist.
> >
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> >
> >The state motto of Rhode Island is "Hope". I believe we can add a
> >heart-felt "Semper Fi" to it as well.
> >
> >Pro patria,
> >
> >Tom "Proud to be a Veteran" Hansen
> >Moscow, Idaho
> >
> >"I love my country but fear my government."
> >
> >- Author Unknown
> >
> >
> >
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