[Vision2020] Holocaust Toons

Tue Feb 7 19:11:24 PST 2006

It is DOUG WILSON who started the name calling, the labeling of those that 
don't follow his way of thinking/living, who insists that not following HIM 
and HIS WAY is tantamount to blasphemy, who continues to this very day to 
say those not in HIS favor are evil and the enemy, etc.

They cut with the rusty knife of excommunication, character assassination, 
the loss of income, the break-up of marriages, the condoning of adultery, 
the public pronouncement of death to those whose life "style" they don't 
agree with, etc.

It is CC that ignore pleas for the people who leave, to have their life be 
spared and who continue to turn deaf ears and eyes to the obvious 
mis-behavior and outright disdain for law of their "pastor", that the rest 
of the citizens of this community follow.

Where do you get off stating that Art or anyone else is "dead set in 
their(your) views"?

J  :]

>From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
>To: deco at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Holocaust Toons
>Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 17:58:07 -0800
>
>Art,
>
>Glad to see you are dead set in your views and label all those who have 
>found religion as a bad thing. I agree that throughout history religion has 
>influenced believers into a frenzy of hatred and death. I also believe that 
>it has also inspired individuals to help others.
>
>As in local religion, you are labeling those cccers as evil entities of 
>this world. Art the day that christ church goers start cutting off heads 
>with a rusty 12" knife, while the person is pleading for his life, which 
>turns into a blood curdeling scream, is the day you have convinced me.
>
>Matthew D
>
>
>>From: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
>>To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Holocaust Toons
>>Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:58:32 -0800
>>
>>Robert, et al,
>>
>>Perhaps we need to be very careful about condemning all Moslems on the 
>>basis of what we have seen from terrorists and those who are now 
>>hating/rioting/destructively venting in the cartoon flap.  There are, no 
>>doubt what-so-ever, some very terrible people who are or who profess to be 
>>Moslems, and worse, profess to be the "true" leaders of Islam and who wish 
>>to do many of us great, great harm.
>>
>>However, not all Moslems take this view; not all Moslems hate Jews.  Just 
>>as the local CCC does not represent anything but a crackpot fringe cult of 
>>Christianity, hard-line Moslems, regardless of what they claim, do not 
>>represent all of Islam.  It is to the moderate Moslems that we need to 
>>appeal and to attempt to dialogue and to co-exist with.
>>
>>As a non-believer, I see the use of religious fervor by terrorists, 
>>politicians, and others, no matter what religion is professed, to be 
>>extremely scary.  Not only can irrational religious/superstitious beliefs 
>>be very powerful, passionate, mind-numbing motivators, it is extremely 
>>scary because unlike gravity, string theory, electricity, etc, there is 
>>currently no way to determine which set of religious beliefs, if any, are 
>>true.
>>
>>This unfortunate state of affairs of total religious ignorance, and no way 
>>of alleviating it yet discovered, is one main reason why religionists 
>>resort to all kinds of rhetorical tricks to convince themselves and to 
>>convince everyone else that their claims are the only "true" ones.  
>>Rioting, for example, is a similar rhetorical device to shouting to 
>>convince others that you are correct.  A "Whoever can shout the loudest 
>>wins." mentality. Rioting/hating/etc also potently engages the passions, 
>>further preventing rational thought/investigation into 
>>religious/superstitious claims and their effects on actions.
>>
>>I do not know what the solution is.  I know from living here and living 
>>in/visiting primarily Islamic areas that once so-called religious "truths" 
>>are invoked to justify an attitude or a behavior, all hope is lost for a 
>>rational solution.
>>
>>It appears extremely, extremely unlikely that the peoples of the world 
>>will suddenly recognize that religious/superstitious fantasies are just 
>>that --  unverifiable, troglodytic fantasies.
>>
>>If history has taught us anything it is:  Religious/superstitious 
>>fantasies certainly have useful purposes at times, but are not the kind of 
>>knowledge on which to successfully base/predict probable outcomes in the 
>>universe as we know it.  Until, or more realistically, if, that 
>>fundamental state of affairs is recognized, horrific, perhaps humankind 
>>annihilating strife will grow and continue.
>>
>>Those who have known me for a long time know that it has been for at least 
>>50 years and is my opinion that the end of humankind will not be wrought 
>>by some alleged god or gods invisibly hiding/lurking in the shadows, but 
>>some f**king maniacs acting as if those alleged invisible shadows have 
>>substance and that these f**king maniacs know exactly what those invisible 
>>shadows are bidding.
>>
>>There is some probability, perhaps greater than 0.50, given the current 
>>state of technology/knowledge, the near end of humankind will occur within 
>>25 years and be wrought by religious fanatics.
>>
>>I am glad I am old and hopefully be gone by then.
>>
>>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
>>deco at moscow.com
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: <mekt7 at netscape.net>
>>To: <Vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:30 PM
>>Subject: [Vision2020] Holocaust Toons
>>
>>
>>>One can hardly be surprised that Iran wants to play like the little boy 
>>>who, when offended, shouts, "Oh yeah? Well your momma!, is going to do 
>>>Holocaust cartoons. It does nothing for their cause but show the world 
>>>the true face of Islam, a violent and hostile threat to the peace of the 
>>>world.
>>>
>>>Robert
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